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161 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25811 | ||
No, it is against us (as I understand it; you could call a rabbi to explain the verse) because in order for us to be saved by following it we have to kill an innocent animal who represents Jesus. How many volunteers do we have to kill Jesus? | ||||||
162 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25810 | ||
In vs 41 it is "eortasete". --- "Thus, I would say, the LXX appeared to make very little distinction between the two Hebrew words, since they translated both with the same word!" That's odd! Because when you look through all the uses of the word "heorte" you find that it is never used with either the Day of Atonement or the feast of Trumpets! And as I recalled the Hebrew kept a distinction between them and the rest. |
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163 | What day do YOU attend church? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25809 | ||
Oops, sorry "Steve"! "My friend, might I offer my sincere apologies for causing you hurt. This was not my intention, but it WAS my deed, and I am sorry. Please bear with us, and perhaps help us with OUR weaknesses." Thank you very much; I have receieved a lot of email trying to encourage me. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to take as well as the attacks. |
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164 | Correcting the translation | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25808 | ||
Email feedback on this verse has been tremendous! From this site alone I have received about 2 dozen in the past couple of days encouraging me (and I sure needed it!). I had one a couple of months ago from a guy who has a D.Min. degree and is now working on his Ph.d.. He found my web page about Col. 2:16-17 and says that from what he has seen I am the only one who is right. And the kicker is that I only supplied one little element; the rest I have pulled in from others! So, if I am wrong then all the others are too! Now which is more likely: that experts in the field of Greek grammar and linguistics are wrong or those who make claims that I am? |
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165 | Who was that masked man? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25807 | ||
Forgot to add that today alone I recieved over 7 emails just about this; and they say they not only understand but they agree that I am right and they are glad that I have posted actually facts and looked at the Bibles spouting off ppersonal opinions. I had one a couple of months ago from a guy who has a D.Min. degree and is now working on his Ph.d.. He found my web page about Col. 2:16-17 and says that from what he has seen I am the only one who is right. And the kicker is that I only supplied one little element; the rest I have pulled in from others! So, if I am wrong then all the others are too! Now which is more likely: that experts in the field of Greek grammar and linguistics are wrong or those who make claims that I am? | ||||||
166 | Who was that masked man? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25805 | ||
" ignoring the fact he was for all intents and purposes proven wrong on nearly every point." Ed, you have yet to prove me wrong on anything. |
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167 | Who was that masked man? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25803 | ||
Yeah, you'd like that wouldn't you. Kinda like the Benny Hinn forum. | ||||||
168 | Who was that masked man? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25802 | ||
Or, could it be that he knows what he is talking about? Now when people start getting here on this verse then I'll check and seeif anything is said on the date of the book of Daniel--when was it written? What do you _believe_? Then I can check on the meaning of the word 'almah in Isa. 7:14. Any more attacks? |
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169 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25755 | ||
"Paul clearly states either "or" or "and" between "regards to eating and drinking" AND "in respect to festivals, etc.". That is a first clue that he did not mean people were not to be judged only for the "eating and drinking" that was done on certain days." " The first "n" [eta] of Col. 2:16 should be translated as "either" according to the following lexicons and Greek dictionary: Liddell and Scott,1 Bauer, Arndt and Gingrich,2 Woodhouse,3 Dana and Mantey,4 Thayer,5 and the Barclay-Newman Greek Dictionary (BibleWorks 4.0). To date, the only translation that I know of that has translated the Greek that way is the Nazarene Standard English Version by Daniel Gregg." found at http://biblestudy.iwarp.com/colossians/216b.html |
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170 | What day do YOU attend church? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25754 | ||
Yes Steve, I am humble. I was wondering where all this stuff was coming from but then I re-read what I had posted (I tell stories) and I can see know where people might get the wrong idea. Some more stories about me: When I was 16 I would occasionally have to go around the house with a belt tied around my chest 'cause it hurt so much inside. Finally, at around 18 I was put in the hospital where they ran all sorts of tests. They found I had ulcers. About 17 years later there was no drug on the market that could touch it. Luckily, 6 oatmeal and raisin cookies and a large glass of milk killed it for one evening. The next day I went in for another endoscopy exam (they dope you up and shove a tube the size of a garden hose down your throat and look inside). The Doc said: "That tears it you're going in for surgery". Which meant that they cut a third of my stomach out and the stomach gate to the intestines and cut the vagus nerves to the stomach. I also suffer from chronic and very severe depression--no medicine works on that either. So, yes, I am very humble, no pride in my heart about anything and I can hardly wait to get off this rock. I'm sick and tired about being lied to, being treated like dirt by people who don't know me, etc.. You are 100 percent correct that my communication skills are very weak. I know that very well. It is very frustrating for me too when you consider all the high-powered scholarly literature I read and I can understand most of it (I think!) and yet I never pick up their language skills!?! |
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171 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25753 | ||
Steve, The only law that was ever called against us was the ceremonial law that was placed on the outside of the Ark while the Ten Commandments were inside the Ark: Deuteronomy 31:26 "Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee." The ceremonial law is against us because in order for us (if we had to do it today) to be saved from our sins we'd have to kill an innocent animal. We know that there are some who are blood-thirsty enough and cold-hearted enough so that it wouldn't faze them in the least. But, I think most of us would have to have some very serious discussions in order to get us to do it. Note also that Paul says that the Law was holy, just, and good (Rom. 7:12) and ordained to life (Rom. 7:10) and one in which he delighted (Rom. 7:22). You are 100 percent correct in noting that we as sinners cannot keep the Law on our own power. But, that doesn't mean that it is against us. As you pointed out the law points out our sins--now we flee to Christ and confess our sins so He can save us from the guilt and power and be of sin the double cure (Rock of Ages?). |
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172 | What day do YOU attend church? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25750 | ||
Loved your testimony CDBJ! It was wonderful! And I'm really glad that you like to study God's Word to us in depth. There aren't many of us around. Of course, I also have to admit that is is very time consuming--but then, what better thing to spend time on? The Bible is like God's Open Letter to the Editor for all of us to have a chance to get to know Him--and since He's coming soon we should dive in deep and get to know it for all it's worth so we can get to know Him better! | ||||||
173 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25749 | ||
casiv, 1) The word "handwriting"in Col.2:14 is associated with IOU's. In this case when it attached to "of ordinances" it refers to the ceremonial sacrificial system. 2) Jesus's death on the cross paid the price for all our sins. So, in this context what Paul is telling the believers at Colossae is this: those who have been judging you and telling you that you must do a-b-c-d things in order to be in communion and right with God are wrong. Jesus is all-sufficient; He paid the price for your sins. The ceremonial rules and regulations have been done away with. When they tell you their man-made rules about what not to touch or handle, etc. (Col. 2:21) or complain about your feasting on the ceremonial days (Col. 2:16), don't listen to them let the church decide such matters (Col. 2:17). The seventh-day Sabbath was God's gift to man (Mark 2:27); He never took it away from us. It is the only time that He made holy (Genesis 2:3). We should humbly accept His gift and appreciate it. It is our constant reminder that God is our Creator (Exodus 20:11) and the One who sanctifies us (Exodus 31:13). To me that makes it is part and parcel of the Good News. He created me and He takes away my sins forever! |
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174 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25748 | ||
And how does the LXX translate the words "chaq" or "mow'ed" in relation to the Day of Atonement or the feast of Trumpets? | ||||||
175 | What day do YOU attend church? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25747 | ||
Ah, so that's what all the email encouraging me was all about! | ||||||
176 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25711 | ||
"upon the nailing to the cross as stated in Col 2:14" The "handwriting of ordinances that was against us" refers to the sacrifical ceremonial law. The Ten commandments are holy, just and good and were ordained to life but because of our sins condemns us. Without them we wouldn't know how we sin. In short, the Sabbath wasn't nailed to the cross. |
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177 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25708 | ||
"I would disagree that the last three nouns are a sub-clause." This is because of the meaning of "e en merei"; check it out: http://biblestudy.iwarp.com/colossians/216b.html --- "Grammatically, I think the best option is that 'de' contrast the body with the shadow." Then write it up and submit it to Journal of Biblical Literature and see what they say when they review it. Here's what Troy Martin said: "The construction of [me oun tis umas krinetow ... to de soma tou kristou] is an antithesis. The negative member is stated first; the contrasting positive member introduced by an adversative conjunction occurs second. ... The verb [krineto] determines the action that is forbidden by the first member and then enjoined by the second member of this antithesis. ... The prohibition in the first clause of the antithesis in Col 2:16 indicates that the nuance of [krineto] is negative. ... However, the action enjoined by the second clause requires a positive nuance. ... An example of precisely this combination of nuances occurs in the antithesis in Rom 14:13 ...." [ "But Let Everyone Discern the Body of Christ (Colossians 2:17)," Journal of Biblical Literature 114/2 (1995): 252-3] |
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178 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25707 | ||
Tim, "'mow'ed' is used in: vv. 2, 4, 37, and 44." "Mow'ed" means "appointed time" or "sacred season" not feast. So, the chapter opens and closes on that note. But, within the chapter, and elsewhere as well, in the OT a very careful distinction is made between a "mo'ed" and a "chaq" which also happens to show up in the Greek. I checked some 300 verses (don't remember the exact count) and found that neither the Day of Atonement or the feast of Trumpets was called a "heorte" and then I look at what the Hebrew counterpart of those verses said as well. What Bible software do you use? I'm using Bibleworks 4.0 right now and would like to get the newest version that just came out (along with about 1,000 dollars of CD's: commentaries and lexicons--checkout the software available from CBD when you get a chance!). |
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179 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25701 | ||
Tim, Thanks for the quick response! Thank you also for actually looking at the pages to which I referred you to. You'd be amazed at the sheer number of people who wish to argue but never look at the evidence. On number one you seem to making more distinctions than are warranted. Paul uses the plural simply because he is referring to more than one thing. Secondly, the days that are mentioned in vs. 16 can be thought of as a sub-clause which he could have left out and his original audience would have known what he was talking about. Thirdly, it causes more problems than it is worth to assume that Paul was only referring to "sabbatwn": is he talking about the seventh-day Sabbath? If so, where in the OT is it given as a symbol of something to come? If it is the ceremonial sabbaths then what does that say about the other two (feasts and new moons)? The answer to number two is not based on assumptions; Troy Martin's study pays attention to the grammatical construction of the passage. Assumptions do come into play when it is assumed that Paul is playing off "shadow" with "body". |
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180 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25692 | ||
Tim, The "trick" here in Lev. 23 is to note that vs 3 is sandwiched between vss 2 and 4 with distinct differences in each. The latter is the proper intro to the chapter. There's an article in Biblitheca Sacra published by the Dallas Theological Seminary in which an author looks closely at Israel's Annual Feasts. If you search on the ATLA Religious Index under the three words: "Israel's Annual Feasts" you should be able to find it. The point of the chapter is that each of these days are to be treatd as sabbaths and to derive their meaning and value from the seventh-day Sabbath. Now, within Lev. 23 there are other clues as well. In vss 2, 4, 37, 39, 41 the Hebrew word for "feast" is "mow'ed" ("appointed time" or "sacred season" would be a better translation so as to not get confused) ; but in vss 6, 34, 44 it is "chaq" ("feast" or "festival"). So, in the Hebrew a very clear distinction is made which doesn't show up in an English translation (btw, which one are you using? More difficult to search for the words yours used if the KJV didn't.). |
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