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161 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25748 | ||
And how does the LXX translate the words "chaq" or "mow'ed" in relation to the Day of Atonement or the feast of Trumpets? | ||||||
162 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25749 | ||
casiv, 1) The word "handwriting"in Col.2:14 is associated with IOU's. In this case when it attached to "of ordinances" it refers to the ceremonial sacrificial system. 2) Jesus's death on the cross paid the price for all our sins. So, in this context what Paul is telling the believers at Colossae is this: those who have been judging you and telling you that you must do a-b-c-d things in order to be in communion and right with God are wrong. Jesus is all-sufficient; He paid the price for your sins. The ceremonial rules and regulations have been done away with. When they tell you their man-made rules about what not to touch or handle, etc. (Col. 2:21) or complain about your feasting on the ceremonial days (Col. 2:16), don't listen to them let the church decide such matters (Col. 2:17). The seventh-day Sabbath was God's gift to man (Mark 2:27); He never took it away from us. It is the only time that He made holy (Genesis 2:3). We should humbly accept His gift and appreciate it. It is our constant reminder that God is our Creator (Exodus 20:11) and the One who sanctifies us (Exodus 31:13). To me that makes it is part and parcel of the Good News. He created me and He takes away my sins forever! |
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163 | What day do YOU attend church? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25750 | ||
Loved your testimony CDBJ! It was wonderful! And I'm really glad that you like to study God's Word to us in depth. There aren't many of us around. Of course, I also have to admit that is is very time consuming--but then, what better thing to spend time on? The Bible is like God's Open Letter to the Editor for all of us to have a chance to get to know Him--and since He's coming soon we should dive in deep and get to know it for all it's worth so we can get to know Him better! | ||||||
164 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25753 | ||
Steve, The only law that was ever called against us was the ceremonial law that was placed on the outside of the Ark while the Ten Commandments were inside the Ark: Deuteronomy 31:26 "Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee." The ceremonial law is against us because in order for us (if we had to do it today) to be saved from our sins we'd have to kill an innocent animal. We know that there are some who are blood-thirsty enough and cold-hearted enough so that it wouldn't faze them in the least. But, I think most of us would have to have some very serious discussions in order to get us to do it. Note also that Paul says that the Law was holy, just, and good (Rom. 7:12) and ordained to life (Rom. 7:10) and one in which he delighted (Rom. 7:22). You are 100 percent correct in noting that we as sinners cannot keep the Law on our own power. But, that doesn't mean that it is against us. As you pointed out the law points out our sins--now we flee to Christ and confess our sins so He can save us from the guilt and power and be of sin the double cure (Rock of Ages?). |
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165 | What day do YOU attend church? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25754 | ||
Yes Steve, I am humble. I was wondering where all this stuff was coming from but then I re-read what I had posted (I tell stories) and I can see know where people might get the wrong idea. Some more stories about me: When I was 16 I would occasionally have to go around the house with a belt tied around my chest 'cause it hurt so much inside. Finally, at around 18 I was put in the hospital where they ran all sorts of tests. They found I had ulcers. About 17 years later there was no drug on the market that could touch it. Luckily, 6 oatmeal and raisin cookies and a large glass of milk killed it for one evening. The next day I went in for another endoscopy exam (they dope you up and shove a tube the size of a garden hose down your throat and look inside). The Doc said: "That tears it you're going in for surgery". Which meant that they cut a third of my stomach out and the stomach gate to the intestines and cut the vagus nerves to the stomach. I also suffer from chronic and very severe depression--no medicine works on that either. So, yes, I am very humble, no pride in my heart about anything and I can hardly wait to get off this rock. I'm sick and tired about being lied to, being treated like dirt by people who don't know me, etc.. You are 100 percent correct that my communication skills are very weak. I know that very well. It is very frustrating for me too when you consider all the high-powered scholarly literature I read and I can understand most of it (I think!) and yet I never pick up their language skills!?! |
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166 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25755 | ||
"Paul clearly states either "or" or "and" between "regards to eating and drinking" AND "in respect to festivals, etc.". That is a first clue that he did not mean people were not to be judged only for the "eating and drinking" that was done on certain days." " The first "n" [eta] of Col. 2:16 should be translated as "either" according to the following lexicons and Greek dictionary: Liddell and Scott,1 Bauer, Arndt and Gingrich,2 Woodhouse,3 Dana and Mantey,4 Thayer,5 and the Barclay-Newman Greek Dictionary (BibleWorks 4.0). To date, the only translation that I know of that has translated the Greek that way is the Nazarene Standard English Version by Daniel Gregg." found at http://biblestudy.iwarp.com/colossians/216b.html |
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167 | Who was that masked man? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25802 | ||
Or, could it be that he knows what he is talking about? Now when people start getting here on this verse then I'll check and seeif anything is said on the date of the book of Daniel--when was it written? What do you _believe_? Then I can check on the meaning of the word 'almah in Isa. 7:14. Any more attacks? |
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168 | Who was that masked man? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25803 | ||
Yeah, you'd like that wouldn't you. Kinda like the Benny Hinn forum. | ||||||
169 | Who was that masked man? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25805 | ||
" ignoring the fact he was for all intents and purposes proven wrong on nearly every point." Ed, you have yet to prove me wrong on anything. |
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170 | Who was that masked man? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25807 | ||
Forgot to add that today alone I recieved over 7 emails just about this; and they say they not only understand but they agree that I am right and they are glad that I have posted actually facts and looked at the Bibles spouting off ppersonal opinions. I had one a couple of months ago from a guy who has a D.Min. degree and is now working on his Ph.d.. He found my web page about Col. 2:16-17 and says that from what he has seen I am the only one who is right. And the kicker is that I only supplied one little element; the rest I have pulled in from others! So, if I am wrong then all the others are too! Now which is more likely: that experts in the field of Greek grammar and linguistics are wrong or those who make claims that I am? | ||||||
171 | Correcting the translation | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25808 | ||
Email feedback on this verse has been tremendous! From this site alone I have received about 2 dozen in the past couple of days encouraging me (and I sure needed it!). I had one a couple of months ago from a guy who has a D.Min. degree and is now working on his Ph.d.. He found my web page about Col. 2:16-17 and says that from what he has seen I am the only one who is right. And the kicker is that I only supplied one little element; the rest I have pulled in from others! So, if I am wrong then all the others are too! Now which is more likely: that experts in the field of Greek grammar and linguistics are wrong or those who make claims that I am? |
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172 | What day do YOU attend church? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25809 | ||
Oops, sorry "Steve"! "My friend, might I offer my sincere apologies for causing you hurt. This was not my intention, but it WAS my deed, and I am sorry. Please bear with us, and perhaps help us with OUR weaknesses." Thank you very much; I have receieved a lot of email trying to encourage me. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to take as well as the attacks. |
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173 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25810 | ||
In vs 41 it is "eortasete". --- "Thus, I would say, the LXX appeared to make very little distinction between the two Hebrew words, since they translated both with the same word!" That's odd! Because when you look through all the uses of the word "heorte" you find that it is never used with either the Day of Atonement or the feast of Trumpets! And as I recalled the Hebrew kept a distinction between them and the rest. |
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174 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25811 | ||
No, it is against us (as I understand it; you could call a rabbi to explain the verse) because in order for us to be saved by following it we have to kill an innocent animal who represents Jesus. How many volunteers do we have to kill Jesus? | ||||||
175 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25812 | ||
All I know is that: 1) The Law is spiritual in nature (Rom. 7:14). 2) God gave us the Law to keep us out of sin in the first place. 3) If we sin we have an advocate with the Father who will cleanse us from all unrightousness. 4) The Sabbath is a sign that we are resting from our own works and that we accept God's work to sanctify us (Ezekiel 20:12). |
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176 | Who was that masked man? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25859 | ||
Ed "asked": "What makes you think this discussion is about you!" Easy, just like adding 2 and 2 together. |
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177 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25865 | ||
Steve, Oh boy! I AM NOT PREACHING A WORKS RIGHTEOUSNEES GOSPEL--OKAY!?! The sacrifices are completely ineffective if one does not have faith. On the other hand, faith without works is dead (James 2:20). --- "Your words condemn you, sir." Matthew 5:22. |
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178 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25878 | ||
A little more on the history of the Bible (from the LXX to Anchor Bible (mid-60's)) can be found at: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/gerald_larue/otll/chap32.html In regards to the development of the KJV the author writes: "The Bishops' Bible was to be followed and only altered where necessary. Old ecclesiastical terms were to be retained. No marginal notes were to be included except to give suitable alternate readings or to cite parallel passages. Wherever Tyndale, Matthew, Coverdale, the Great Bible, or the Geneva Bible, were closer to the original text, these translations were to be followed." |
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179 | Correcting the translation | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25891 | ||
Fixed a bug on the introduction page of my study to Colossians 2:16 (for some reason I got clipped!); here's part of it: For those who might wish to skip the analysis altogether here's the real high points: 1) The words translated as "in meat and drinks" is not about unclean food or dietary laws. This is because there are simply no laws about unclean drinks. Also, the words translated as "in meat and drinks" should be translated as "in eating and drinking." Therefore, it is most likely that these words are about "feasting and fasting as the case may be." So, the believers in Colossae were being criticized about feasting on the days that follow; rather than fasting which the Gnostic ascetics alleged would bring them into a closer union, or communication, with God. 2) The words translated as "in respect of" mean "in portion of"; thus when we link the previous observation with this it is reinforced: the believers at Colossae were being criticized about feasting on the days that follow rather than fasting which the Gnostic ascetics alleged would bring them into a closer union, or communication, with God. It is amazing the number of people who can't seem to read the English translations correctly! The words "in respect of" tell you the days on which the believers were feasting and fasting. In their rush to condemn the seventh-day Sabbath far too many people (even some high-powered scholars among them!) have simply glossed over these very simple words. These words are one of the major keys to understanding these two verses. In effect, these words begin a parenthetical statement that could be dropped with no effect on the meaning of the verses. 3) The Greek word translated as "holyday" (heorte) in the KJV is never used in reference to the Feast of Trumpets or the Day of Atonement. If you wish to check the txts for yourself they are provided in Table 3.16 And both are ceremonial sabbath days. So, Paul would not be redundant to say "sabbath days" if he was trying to list all of the feast days of the Jewish religious economy. This is a crucial key to understanding the text. 4) In looking at the days that are mentioned in Col. 2:16 I believe that it is we as Westerners who would tend to assume that Paul is talking in terms of a calendrical progression: annual, monthly, weekly. However, there is not a shred of evidence to support this assumption. It is true that there is a relationship between the terms; but there is no evidence that it is basedsolely, and only, on the calendar. This idea is being read into the text. 5) Some sources incorrectly claim that the following OT texts exhibit the same, or exact, or identical, progression of terms: 1 Chron. 23:31; 2 Chron. 2:4, 8:13, 31:3; Neh. 10:33; Ezek. 45:17 and Hos. 2:11. In fact, only the last two have the same sequence of terms. The verses are given in Table 1 along with notes about the relevant Hebrew words -- see if you can spot the pattern! In Table 2 are three more verses with differing sequences of terminology of worship days. 6) Another key to understanding what Paul meant by "sabbatwn" is given when Paul appears to refer to it as a "shadow" in vs. 17. When compared with the facts that a) the seventh-day Sabbath was instituted before sin and thus before any shadow was necessary and b) even in both accounts of the Law it is given as a memorial and not a shadow or type of something to come.17 Thus, it would be mis-leading, at best, to refer to the seventh-day Sabbath as a "shadow-sabbath." 18 The reasons just given alone, at a minimum, strongly imply that Paul is not talking about the seventh-day Sabbath in vs 16 but rather the ceremonial sabbaths. It has been interesting to note that virtually all of the critics of this study to date never seemed to have had read anything beyond this point! They seem to develop a real severe case of tunnel vision that prevents them from seeing any further. 7) A number of sources attempt to escape the implications of the present tense in vs 17a by changing it to a past tense! |
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180 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25908 | ||
Tim, "I did some more research on 'heorte' and found that that the basic meaning is "appointed"." Where'd you find that out? I just double-checked it through the lexicon that comes with BibleWorks and the only two words it had were feast and festival. I'll see if there are some online lexicons. |
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