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121 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25246 | ||
I did correct your obvious misunderstanding and imputing false motives when it wasn't necessary, neither of which is linguistic. --- "Thank you for the interesting thoughts on why you believe we should worship on the seventh day Sabbath." I didn't say any such thing; I was just correcting a common misunderstanding about translating in general and Col. 2:16 in particular. |
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122 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25247 | ||
If I had to guess I suspect that the rabbinical rule was made during the intertestamental period, probably after the time of the Maccabees. | ||||||
123 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25250 | ||
I thought I had read somewhere that Justin was in rome. Which would mean that his works correspond with what Socrates and Sozomen had said. | ||||||
124 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25251 | ||
I prefer to go by Scripture rather than the teachings of men. | ||||||
125 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25254 | ||
"... but how do we now "know with a fair degree of certainty" that Paul used the word "kai"? ..." Scholars who have studied the texts have found that the earliest one's had "kai"; also it doesn't make sense to have "eta". --- "How many English translations were there before the King James?" That depends on how far you count it as being English! ;) There was about half a dozen earlier Bibles in English, like Tyndale, Great, and Geneva. If you check into the KJV only theory you'll find the info. |
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126 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25364 | ||
There is nothing wrong with having group prayer and Bible studies on any day of the week. BTW, that should be "eating and drinking" not food and drink and secondly in Greek the first "eta" should be "either"--as not in "or you eat your vegetables or there will be no dessert". Now take a close look at "with regard to" (Gk: "en merei"). |
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127 | What IS your belief? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25371 | ||
Shepard's thesis's were speculations and thus are the product of man. Mine is a grammatical and linguistic analysis of the evidence; that is, I looked to see what the Greek words that Paul wrote meant. --- ""I still don't know whether you are saying that we should repent and dump Sunday assembly, or it's technically wrong but morally OK, or what?"" My study was of limited scope (it isn't even a complete exegetical analysis fo the verse). To go beyond the evidence is called eisegesis. There are others here who are far more capable and willing to do that. Since I have been trained as a pastor I can't go beyond what the text says. If you want a myth talk to the myth-makers; I'll give you cold hard facts. All I can tellyou so far is that if someone uses Col. 2:16-17 and tells you that it says Paul says we should keep the Sabbath then I can say that they a) haven't read the text clearly and b) Paul isn't even talking about the seventh-day Sabbath at all--tangentally, but still based on what Paul does say in Col. 2:16, we can say that since he didn't tell the believers not to keep the feast days and new moons and ceremonial sabbaths and he refers to them in the present tense some 30 years after the cross doesn't that imply that we should be keeping them today? And if that's true for them then what does that say about the seventh-day Sabbath? And then, where does that leave Sunday-keeping? One should always bear in mind that a sin is not sin if you don't know that it is a sin. And God knows exactly what you know and why you know it. He also knows why you don't know some things and what you could have known if you had taken the effort to know. Kapeesh? |
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128 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25372 | ||
" I on the other hand using what I perceived to be the tone of your response." Either you were typing faster than you were thinking (I can understand that!) or English is not your native language. |
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129 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25406 | ||
I wasn't trying to put down anyone. Thank you for the correction on the plural of thesis. |
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130 | What IS your belief? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25407 | ||
I wasn't judging you. It takes along time to even find all of the relevant data. In fact, in the past two weeks others have pointed me to about another dozen sources. I didn't say that _you_ wanted a myth. Nor, did I say that I only study one verse per year or that I don't interpret the Bible. I have never said (much less even thought) that my knowledge was siuperior to others--that's why my bibliography on Col. 2:16-17 is over 180 sources long vs. just having it listing me as the fount of all wisdom and sarcasm. |
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131 | Sunday or Saturday? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25513 | ||
As I understand the Bible the Sabbath runs from sundown to sundown not 6 to 6 (after all they didn'thave clocks in the Garden of Eden or in most, if not all, of the OT. I liked your very careful choice of words: "the early church gathered on either day." But, that isn't the question; the question really is on which day should we worship God? Col.2:16-17 is NOT talking about the seventh-day Sabbath or Sunday. Acts 20:7 was simply a meeting on Saturday nite because Paul was leaving the next day (i.e. he was traveling on Sunday but not the Sabbath because to him it was still holy). Thanks for the texts. |
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132 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25516 | ||
One can always get an answer if one asks the right questions. But, at the same time one learns the lessons best if one asks the questions of the text and does one's homework. Unfortunately, as the Greek proverb says: All things good to know are difficult to learn. Questions that are asked with the intent of putting others down get what they deserve. |
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133 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25520 | ||
A number (but not all) of your questions are answered in my study at http://biblestudy.iwarp.com. Last I checked it ran over 70 pages so I'm not going to cut-and-paste it all here. Think about the use of "or"--it just doesn't make sense in the context of the whole. |
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134 | What day do YOU attend church? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25522 | ||
And thoise who want to jump way beyond the evidence and ask questions with the intent of putting others down get what they deserve. If I had known that this forum was going to be anti-Bible and not wanting to study (as per the name) in-depth I wouldn't have come here. I quess assumed too much. | ||||||
135 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25526 | ||
Try this (I don't recall exactly where I learned that--good question): From Naves' Topical Dictionary: Trumpets, Feast Of • When and how observed (Le 23:24,25 Nu 29:1-6) • Celebrated after the captivity with joy (Ne 8:2,9-12) • See Feasts Atonement, Day Of • Time of (Ex 30:10 Le 23:27 25:9 Nu 29:7) • How observed (Ex 30:10 Le 16:2-34 23:27-32 Nu 29:7-11 Ac 27:9 Heb 5:3 9:7,19,22) |
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136 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25527 | ||
You are welcome; you are a very rare breed: a gentleman. | ||||||
137 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25550 | ||
I'm not a Hebrew or Greek scholar either. What I do know is how to read the resources that are available. I also spent the bucks to get a copy of BibleWorks 4.0--with that I can search by Strong's numbers if I have to! The point with searching for the words is that neither the Day of Atonement nor the feast of Trumpets are ever called "heorte". So, what Paul did was use a "standard" OT "formula" to list the ceremonial days of the Jewish year. So, you have feasts, new moons and the ceremonial sabbaths. What was apparently happening at Colossae was that some ascetics were judging the believers for feasting and fasting on the days that are mentioned. Paul was saying to them "don't let these people judge you on these matters,let the "body of Christ" (i.e., the church) handle it." |
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138 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25551 | ||
In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth the first thing He did was to create the daily cycle. (Genesis 1:5) "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." Now as surely as nite follows day so we have the weekly cycle instituted in fact. Jesus said "...it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days". So, it is with us just as it was for Him. God gave the Sabbath to man as a day of rest; but, that doesn't mean that we are to take advantage of it and not help people who are in need. Likewise, the Sabbath was set aside for us to remember who it is that created and sanctifies us; therefore, we are not to engage in so many activities that we forget who our Creator and Savior is. It is a day of worship. |
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139 | What day do YOU attend church? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25552 | ||
I have met atheists posting on Christian boards. I have been taught howe to read very carefully and since I have been attacked on this board it should be no surprise to anyone that my shields are up. Fundamentally ,it is irrelevant on what day I worship. You are not saved or lost by my example. Your only question should be: what does the Bible say? |
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140 | What day do YOU attend church? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25554 | ||
"... one who calls himself a Christian " Didn't do that either. And quite frankly given how I have been repeatedly attacked (which is why I don't go) by my "fellow Christians" I have been told by others that they are glad they aren't one! Some people set a great example of what not to be: "Nobody is completely worthless. If nothing else, a person can serve as a horrible example." |
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