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181 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25691 | ||
Yeah, they did. Then there's the memorial to Jefferson who ripped out the miraculous from his Bible. | ||||||
182 | What day do YOU attend church? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25690 | ||
Proverbs 1:5 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels: Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. |
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183 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25689 | ||
1) This question is answered at http://biblestudy.iwarp.com/colossians/217b.html 2) This question is answered at http://biblestudy.iwarp.com/colossians/217d.html |
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184 | djconklin, Worship on Sabbath in Bible? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25673 | ||
In the Hebrew the word for "convocation is "migra" and means "sacred assembly"; the LXX translates it as "holy calling". | ||||||
185 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25663 | ||
" I've been to county fairs, estate sales, picnics, and cattle auctions; and I've yet to find a monument erected in honor of a critic." You probably wouldn't find them there. But, there's a museum to Ingersoll: http://www.secularhumanism.org/ingersoll/ But, we always get the Bible critics by pointing out that there was never been a hospital or orphange named after one of them. |
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186 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25661 | ||
"He was even rejected and casted out of his own temple, until he met John the Baptist." If that is what the author said he/she is mistaken. Jesus began His ministry by being baptized by John the Baptist; later he was cast out of the local synagogue in Nazareth. He was never cast out of the Temple. The rest was good. |
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187 | Who are 'others?' | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25659 | ||
Another day and another three emails saying they are not having any trouble understanding what I am saying. And yet I'm continually being told here that some are. Why is that? In my first sermon out of the seminary I told the congregation that if I could do it (in that case it was an exegesis) they could to. It's not all that hard people. Just put one foot in front of the other and don't go any faster than what you have understood--instead of trying to run a 3 minute mile. | ||||||
188 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25658 | ||
Very good! You are actually testing various interpretations! You suggested: "let no man judge you in [the singular event of] eating, drinking, a festival i.e. new moon, sabbath" The only problem here is that you dropped out two items: one, the fitrst "eta" should be translated as "either" and secondly, the the meaning of the Greek "en merei". It means "in part of" as I point out in my study. If I were to re-translate/interpret the Greek of Col.2:16-17 into today's English and take into account all of the available evidence I'd suggest this: "Let no man therefore judge you in your feasting and fasting on the feast days, or the new moons, or the ceremonial sabbath days: 17 These (i.e., the feasting and fasting) are a shadow of things to come; rather let the Church decide such matters." |
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189 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25654 | ||
Joe, You are correct. Jesus never violated the Law for if he had He would not have been a sinless sacrifice for our sins. He did in fact ignore and, as you put it, "thumb His nose" at the rabbinical man-made rules. |
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190 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25652 | ||
Steve, you did misunderstand; I was saying the oppisite. The Day of Atonement and the feast of Trumpets (an oxymoron on the latter) are not feast days. Thus, they would not have been under the term "heorte" (feast; "holyday" at Col. 2:16 in the KJV and only in this place!). So, the only other place they could be is under "sabbatwn" for they were ceremonial sabbaths (Lev. 23:2, 4, 24, 32) | ||||||
191 | What day do YOU attend church? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25647 | ||
You have obvious confused an implication with a declaration. I didn't. There are two distinct advantages of going to graduate school: one, is that you learn to read very carefully and the second is that you don't make assumptions too quickly (actually you learn to assume that you don't know enough to go spouting off till you've done the research--maybe we could call that the third advantage). On the last point, one of my prof's said that by time he finished his doctorate he couldn't believe how ignorant he was in his own field! I remarked to one my fellow students how sharp our prof's were and he replied tha they had just read more than we had. Which is quite true and by digging deep you can actually be sharper than your prof's! Simple because you have dug deeper into a very small field as compared to the work they did. I found that I usually got good grades when I handed in a study with a long bibliography (like the 15 page study on the theology of one OT book (I picked Jonah)--the bibliography was 15 pages long--they were quite impressed with the work I had done. | ||||||
192 | What day do YOU attend church? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25642 | ||
"...give those who discourage your faith to the Father, He knows how to help them." I do; but, it doesn't seem to do any good. |
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193 | What day do YOU attend church? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25640 | ||
"Perhaps your 'answers' go so far beyond the questions that we don't know what you are trying to say." Actually it is the other way around. I'm looking solely at the grammatical and linguistic evidence in the text itself and others want me to jump way eyond that while they ignore the work that it takes to even get off the ground (which is what I'm doing). |
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194 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25556 | ||
Tim, My thanks to you for a Biblical answer. However, there are a number of flaws in your argument. ") The Greek word for Sabbath ('Sabbaton') is used interchangebly in both the singular and the plural. The word is used 68 times in the New Testament, and only once does it refer to more than one Sabbath (Acts 17:2)." Hey, you actually got the count right! There's a number fo sources that don't. What you should have also looked at is how the word "sabbaton" is also used in the NT to refer to the first day of the week (i.e., just because the same word is used x number of times that doesn't mean that it only means one thing. It can refer to other things. As such therefore, your conclusion: "This is conclusive proof that the Sabbath referred to in Col. 2:16 is the weekly Sabbath." is very premature. Let's look at all of the available evidence first. Another flaw here is that you only looked at the NT; try looking at this word and the other related words (In this case "heorte") in the LXX. As you can see in my study (http://biblestudy.iwarp.com/colossians/216c.html and http://biblestudy.iwarp.com/colossians/216d.html) I really wrestled with what is going on here. "2) The second proof that the weekly Sabbath is referred to in Col. 2:16 is the fact that this list is taken from Num. 28 and 29. In these two chapters, we find the exact same issues dealt with as Paul deals with in Col. 2 - Yearly festivals, monthly feasts, and weekly Sabbaths." I'm going to cheat here and simply cut-and-paste a paragraph frommy study: " A thought occurred to me as I progressed in this study that perhaps it is our "Greek," or Western, minds which see this phrase "an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days" as "denoting a time-progression."6 But, what if it isn't a "time-progression" per se but is rather a listing of ceremonial days? As Dunn has observed: "the three terms together, "sabbaths, new moons, and feasts" was in fact a regular way of speaking of the main festivals of Jewish religion."7 Bacchiocchi suggests that it is both a time sequence and a listing of festivals.8 Then when the two points above are tied together then what we have in vs. 16 is a listing: the feasts, the new moon and the sabbatical days of the feast of Trumpets and the Day of Atonement. To me this is the only option that answers all the objections given above and below." Also the clincher that Paul isn't refrring directly to the days themselves (they are a sub-clause that he could have left out): for more details see http://biblestudy.iwarp.com/colossians/216b.html |
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195 | What day do YOU attend church? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25554 | ||
"... one who calls himself a Christian " Didn't do that either. And quite frankly given how I have been repeatedly attacked (which is why I don't go) by my "fellow Christians" I have been told by others that they are glad they aren't one! Some people set a great example of what not to be: "Nobody is completely worthless. If nothing else, a person can serve as a horrible example." |
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196 | What day do YOU attend church? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25552 | ||
I have met atheists posting on Christian boards. I have been taught howe to read very carefully and since I have been attacked on this board it should be no surprise to anyone that my shields are up. Fundamentally ,it is irrelevant on what day I worship. You are not saved or lost by my example. Your only question should be: what does the Bible say? |
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197 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25551 | ||
In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth the first thing He did was to create the daily cycle. (Genesis 1:5) "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." Now as surely as nite follows day so we have the weekly cycle instituted in fact. Jesus said "...it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days". So, it is with us just as it was for Him. God gave the Sabbath to man as a day of rest; but, that doesn't mean that we are to take advantage of it and not help people who are in need. Likewise, the Sabbath was set aside for us to remember who it is that created and sanctifies us; therefore, we are not to engage in so many activities that we forget who our Creator and Savior is. It is a day of worship. |
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198 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25550 | ||
I'm not a Hebrew or Greek scholar either. What I do know is how to read the resources that are available. I also spent the bucks to get a copy of BibleWorks 4.0--with that I can search by Strong's numbers if I have to! The point with searching for the words is that neither the Day of Atonement nor the feast of Trumpets are ever called "heorte". So, what Paul did was use a "standard" OT "formula" to list the ceremonial days of the Jewish year. So, you have feasts, new moons and the ceremonial sabbaths. What was apparently happening at Colossae was that some ascetics were judging the believers for feasting and fasting on the days that are mentioned. Paul was saying to them "don't let these people judge you on these matters,let the "body of Christ" (i.e., the church) handle it." |
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199 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25527 | ||
You are welcome; you are a very rare breed: a gentleman. | ||||||
200 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25526 | ||
Try this (I don't recall exactly where I learned that--good question): From Naves' Topical Dictionary: Trumpets, Feast Of • When and how observed (Le 23:24,25 Nu 29:1-6) • Celebrated after the captivity with joy (Ne 8:2,9-12) • See Feasts Atonement, Day Of • Time of (Ex 30:10 Le 23:27 25:9 Nu 29:7) • How observed (Ex 30:10 Le 16:2-34 23:27-32 Nu 29:7-11 Ac 27:9 Heb 5:3 9:7,19,22) |
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