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1 | God love the senner but hate the sin | NT general | Hank | 202764 | ||
gospelcompilation :: You say you are "merely sharing my views of God's wonderful word." Thus far you have not graced this Forum with anything from "God's wonderful word" but merely opinion, not a word of which has been backed up by even as much as an identifiable scripural allusion, much less a direct quotation. . ....... You conclude with "Perhaps I came to the wrong place." Perhaps so. As the name of the web site clearly implies, this is a forum for studying the Bible, a Study Bible Forum indeed, but decidedly not a place that permits or welcomes a string of mere opinions, speculations or guesses based on mere opinions, speculations or guesses. If you wish to continue to post, please read carefully the terms of use and follow them to the best of your ability. ..... And by the way, the Bible leaves the reasonable reader no room whatever to doubt its condemnation of the sin of homosexuality ...... You say that "Scripture is not a weapon to be used...but an intimate, personal teaching device." I don't know where you got this idea, but a citation is clearly needed. Here's what the Bible says: "For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart" (Hebrews 4:12). It also says: "All Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work" (2 Timothy 3:16,17). This Forum holds to the doctrine of sola scriptura; and thus we hold the word of God in high regard on all spiritual matters and the word of man in low regard. --Hank | ||||||
2 | God love the senner but hate the sin | NT general | gospelcompilation | 202778 | ||
Hank, the reaction I've seen on this forum reminds me of the reaction the Jews had to Jesus. When He told them, "unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you," I can imagine them crying out, "That 's just Your opinion! Let's see You back it up with Scripture!" Or, when Jesus did quote Scripture, and asked them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, "You are gods"'?" I can imagine them accusing Christ of twisting the Scripture to fit His own beliefs. But, in reality, Jesus rarely quoted where in the Scriptures He drew His information from, in order to "prove" His teaching to His audience. Why? Because 1) His audience knew the Scriptures and probably recognized where He drew His information from, and 2) because it wasn't His job to spoon feed them and tell them where to find everything. Do you recall the praise given to the Bereans? What made them more noble than those in Thessalonica? For no other reason than because "they searched the Scriptures daily to see if what Paul said was true." They didn't ask him to "prove" his references. They searched for themselves. I have been accused on this site of having not quoted Scripture. But, nearly every sentence I've written has been inferred from one Scripture or another. Which means the people on this forum do not know the Scriptures well enough to recognize where I've drawn my information from, or they are too lazy to search the Scriptures and find out for themselves if what I'm saying is true. So far, Hank, I have found nothing on this forum but judgment and condemnation and accusation - which are qualities associated in Scripture with the character of Satan. So far, the responders to my posts have relied on their own opinions, on ancient stupid-stitions, and historical myth-conceptions. It probably wouldn't take long to expose a deeper root of anti-Semitism, as well. One member actually lied to me regarding Forum Policy in order to threaten me with expulsion. Both lies and threats are devices used by the devil... and yet, others applauded him for using those devices. So, I am not convinced that "this forum holds to the doctrine of sola Scriptura." It seems more to me that that they hold to their opinions of what they want Scripture to teach. They strain at the gnat and swallow the camel. They point out the speck in another's eye and miss the plank in their own. They say, but they do not do. And I am sorry to have made their acquaintance. So, you can have your little clique, Hank. I want no part of a community that stands so firmly opposed to the character of Christ. |
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3 | God love the senner but hate the sin | NT general | BMyers | 202782 | ||
gospelcompilation take a chill pill. First, you are accusing people of twisting and not researching the Word of God. I have read your post and their post. So, far as I can see, I have to side with them. You are the one who has failed to search the scriptures and apply them in context. Based on the doctrine of Sola Scripture, a person compares the doctrine that is being stated to the scripture. If the doctrine doesn't align with the Scriptures, the doctrine is false. Your statements don't align with the scripture. Are you being asked to prove yourself? Yes! Yet this is not new and should not be looked as an attack. Anyone making a claim in the name of Christ should be able to prove him or herself with the unchanging Word of God. I'm glad you think so highly of yourself as comparing yourself with Christ for not giving any proof, but I don't know who you are or anything about you. I have to go by the Word of God and your words are not matching this. I'm sorry you haven't found this forum helpful, but I'm proud in the fact that forum has stood firm and not compromised the Word of God. Today's society is all too quick to compromise the Word of God to be politically correct. Unfortunately, the forum is sometimes a hard medium to communicate in. Most of us (me being the biggest one) do not have the mastery of the English language as we should and at times can make it difficult to communicate points in a written format. Hopefully through your prayer time the Holy Spirit will open your eyes and you will see that hate and deceitfulness was not the purpose of the forum members here, but standing for the uncompromising Word of God was the goal. Brad |
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4 | God love the senner but hate the sin | NT general | gospelcompilation | 202784 | ||
Brad, yours was an excellent response, because you expressed your thoughts clearly, without any harsh criticism. Thank you. So, for the moment, I trust to ask you: How do my statements not align with Scripture? Please quote my words directly, in the context in which they were written, and explain clearly why you think they deviate from the written Word. Again, thank you, and I look forward to hearing your response. |
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5 | God love the senner but hate the sin | NT general | BMyers | 202822 | ||
You asked me to analyze your post. As you may or may not have noticed by my profile, I’m just a common man. I have no formal training in Biblical matters outside of what I have received in my church and on my own. If you are expecting a deep theological response, I’m sorry, I can’t give one, but I will give you my simple answers. I don’t know if you have ever read the book ‘How to Read the Bible for All Its Worth’ by Gordon Fee and Douglas Stuart, but it has two quotes that I like: “A text cannot mean what it never could have meant to its author or his or her readers.” “Whenever we share comparable particulars (i.e., similar specific life situations) with the first-century hearers, God’s Word to us is the same as His Word to them.” The first issue I will raise is your interpretation of 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 1CO 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 1CO 6:10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Your statement: “So do not think that your son is automatically excluded from "heaven" because he is currently choosing another way to express his sexuality. That is not what Scripture means when it says that homosexuals cannot inherit the kingdom of God” There are two things to look at, your definition of ‘kingdom of God’ and your definition of ‘sin’ (hamartia). The word for ‘kingdom’ in the New Testament is ‘basileia’. According to Expository Dictionary of Bible Words “Two particularly significant phrases containing the term basileia are “kingdom of heaven” and “kingdom of God”. These phrases are functionally synonymous and both refer to the dominion of God on earth and incorporate the heavenly realm as well.” According to Expository Dictionary of Bible Words ‘sin’ is “failing to meet God’s revealed moral, ethical, and ritual standards. The Strongest NASB Exhaustive Concordance, ‘sin’ is failure. The definition you give is hamartano which is to miss the mark, do wrong (NASB Concordance). Expository Dictionary of Bible Words defines hamartano as “senses of missing the mark that God has established as a standard for His people.” Based on the definitions that I read, ‘kingdom of God’ does very much involve heaven. This being true, homosexuals will not be in heaven because they are not measuring up to God’s standard. Do we just give up then on homosexuals? No. Yet we have to understand God is Sovereign and we can’t change the ‘rules’ just because we don’t agree. God being sovereign is a difficult concept and one that is not easy for me to explain. I know that all my Pentecostal friends (yes I’m Pentecostal, born and raised Assembly of God) we push the ‘free will’ issue. Yet, from my limited scripture study, truly we don’t have a ‘free will’. (I can see the rocks being picked up now.) How to explain this without writing a book…..the best short answer I can give you, is we are born sinners. We want to follow the sinful nature. We have no desire to come to light, but to stay in the darkness. The desire to come to the light comes from the Holy Spirit working in our life. Without the Holy Spirit working in our life, we would never seek out the light. (This is the best short answer I can think of right now.) Your statement: “Therefore, we must stop labeling people as "sinners." And we must stop condemning people because they fall short in some particular area where we happen to be strong. I don't struggle with homosexual tendencies... but there are plenty of other things I do struggle with. And until I have mastered all my struggles and can hit every target without fail, then I have no place to criticize or condemn anyone.” You are both right and wrong in the above statement. Let’s deal with the right first. We should not be condemning people. You are correct we should be loving people. Yet we have to be careful not to love their sin. There is nothing wrong with calling sin, sin. Does it offend people when you point out their sin? YES! Just walking up to a person on the street and saying you are sinner, might just get you punched in the nose. Dealing with an individual has to be Spirit led. As stated earlier, the ‘sinner’ isn’t going to want to just walk right into the light. We have to make sure that we let the Holy Spirit do its job and we do ours. Yes that involves loving the sinner just as Christ did, but it also involves making sure we don’t compromise because (how to phrase this)……we are so caught up in the ‘love thing’. (Hope this is making sense.) (read second post, ran out of room) |
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6 | God love the senner but hate the sin | NT general | BMyers | 202823 | ||
As Christians we have challenging path to walk in a fallen world. I know that you feel that everyone was attacking you, but they weren’t attacking you, they were defending the Holy Scriptures. In a fallen world when everywhere you look someone is trying to compromise and soften the Scriptures to make them more ‘modern’, more ‘acceptable’, more ‘realistic’, more ‘worldly……you must be on constant guard. Even subtle little things, how something is phrased, can actually mean HUGE doctrinal and more importantly Biblical difference and compromise. Christians can NEVER compromise on the Word of God. I believe your best intentions were to encourage a father who is struggling with a lost child. This cuts to the heart of every parent, but imagine how much more it hurts the heart of our Heavenly Father. But even with all this pain, we cannot and must not compromise on the Word. I wish that I could express myself better, but this is not strong point of mine. I have to pray and leave the message I’m trying to get across to you in the good Lord’s hands. If any of my post has offended, that was not my purpose. I struggle, just like others, to make sure that I’m not compromising on the truth of Word of God, while still trying to communicate that passion for upholding God’s Word in a spirit of love. Brad |
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7 | God love the senner but hate the sin | NT general | DocTrinsograce | 202833 | ||
John Calvin once wrote, "A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw that God's truth is attacked and yet would remain silent." | ||||||