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1 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | New Creature | 127918 | ||
Greetings once again tgc: I found your reply most interesting. Below I have numbered and listed comments you made, and have provided my comments on them in return. The first comment of yours that stood out was: 1)"Regeneration : When Christ renews ones heart and gives that person the new nature or if you will the point a which the new man is born. This is entirely the work of Christ and man has no hand in it." With that I agree. Next you stated: 2)"The Bible teaches that salvation comes by grace through faith." Yes that is clearly stated in Eph. 2:8-9. But is there any place in the Bible that says, "regeneration" comes through faith. If what you previously said was true, and which I believe it is that; "regeneration, is entirely the work of Christ and man has no hand in it." Then is it possible to exercise faith to bring about "regeneration" The word faith and believe are interchangeable in Scripture, and since we are commanded to believe (1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ) or have faith in Christ, then I only see where faith is necessary for salvation, but not necessary for "regeneration." And since we both agree man has no hand in regeneration, then at the same time we cannot be commanded to be "regenerated" If being regenerated was to be commanded, then we would have to obey and that would mean that in obeying we actually did have a hand in it, since obedeince to any command is active rather than passive. And we would be found contradicting ourselves in what we previously stated. Next you stated: 3) "Yes I belive an unregenerated man can respond to the Gospel." In my understanding of the unregenerate, they are spiritually dead, (Eph. 2:1-10)and unable to respond to any call. Even Lazarus had to first be awakened from his dead condition before he could obey the call of Jesus to "come forth" (John 11:43) I don't see where the dead can even hear let alone respond to anything. Next you stated: 4) "The Bible goes on to tell that faith comes by hearing the Word of God." I agree. But is there any place in the Bible where it says "regeneration" comes from hearing? I think we need to see the difference between "faith" and "regeneration" The last statement of yours that stood out was: 5) "all who come to Christ have an unregenerated heart." Once again can those who are spiritually dead until being regenerated, be able to come to Christ? In my previous example of Lazarus, we have seen that before Lazarus could come to Jesus, he had to first be brought to life. I think this is the same thing we see concerning being made alive physically can also be said about being made alive spiritually. I hope to hear from you soon. God bless you and thanks for the great reply New Creature |
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2 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | CDBJ | 127925 | ||
Hi New Creature, Would it suffice to say that regeneration is one of the "numerous" benefits that God gives us at the point of salvation after faith in Christ? Have a great day, CDBJ |
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3 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | New Creature | 127946 | ||
Hello CDBJ; Good question. The question that begs to be asked is: Does "regeneration" precede "faith?" or Does "faith" precede "regeneration?" Answering this question might help us solve this mystery Grace and peace New Creature |
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4 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | CDBJ | 127947 | ||
Hi New Creature, The numerous things that God gives us at the point in time when we trust in Christ are probably so infinitesimal, as far as the time difference is concerned, that it can’t be measured! As with physical life, when it starts, I think that we, as believers, have nothing until spiritual life begins, although God knew we would be in Christ before the foundation of the world. It’s like us setting up plans for the berth of a new addition to the family; some people plan a childs entire life before they are even born. The more we study the more we come to find out what a lot of those benefits are; and as we grow in grace and knowledge of Christ we are just seeing the tip of the ice burg by comparison and can only praise God for who He is and what He has done!!! 1 Cor. 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. And faith in Jesus got it all started, CDBJ |
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5 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | New Creature | 127962 | ||
Hello again CDBJ; I have been thinking about this topic for some time now, And as an off the top of my head thought the following came to me. In the Bible it says: John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. In that verse is mentioned sight. In this case I think what is being referred to is spiritual sight. The verse states that we cannot SEE unless we have first been born again. If I'm not mistaken, "born again" can also be called the new birth, or regeneration. So is it possible that since we do not obtain spiritual sight until our being "born again" that other spiritual senses such as "ears to hear" must be acquired in the event we call regeneration. The reason I ask, is because, I still am thinking that it is not possible to hear God's call to us, drawing us to himself until our new birth takes place. That is why I am leaning towards the possible idea that regeneration precedes faith. I just want to run these ideas past as many individuals as i can for their input. God bless New Creature |
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6 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | CDBJ | 127974 | ||
Greetings, I am in agreement with you as to being born again and regeneration, that they are synonymous terms. The word in Titus 3:5 translated regeneration, come to us from the Koine Greek word, PALIGGENESIA, which is a compound word; from Greek 3825 (palin) and Greek 1078 (genesis); (spiritual) rebirth (the state or the act), i.e. (figurative) spiritual renovation; specially Messianic restoration regeneration. (Strong’s) For us to understand anything spiritually before we are, “born again”, would be like talking to a dead person in a casket and telling them to get up and help them selves; they can’t hear or do anything for themselves because they are dead and can’t hear! We, being of Adam’s seed are dead in spirit. I believe that God the Holy Spirit intercedes for our inoperative spirit “with the message of the gospel of Jesus.” He makes the “good news” real to us so that we can respond, in our soul, by grace through faith, or we can reject His message of Christ and refuse the working of God’s Spirit, which I think is the unpardonable sin. Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. The previous verse tied together with the following verses. John 16:7-9 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. [8] And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: [9] Of sin, because they believe not on me; 1 Cor. 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. The natural or PSUCHIKOS man is the man who by natural process of procreation comes from Adam. 1 Cor. 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. God places us positionally in Christ at the very moment we believe the gospel message, that has been revealed to us by the Holy Spirit, and we become one with Christ and as Peter is, we are considered Blessed in God’s eyes. 2 Cor. 5:21 For he hath made him (Christ) to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Thus we, as your name implies, become a new creature in Christ with a living spirit. 2 Cor. 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. That might spark off a debate but that is what “I believe”, CDBJ |
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7 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | New Creature | 127979 | ||
CDBJ Thank you for the input. I currently find myself in agreement with your reply, and can add nothing to it. God Bless you CDBJ New Creature |
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