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1 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | TheFinalSQL | 127000 | ||
Did anyone backup their order with scripture? I'll add missing events. Hear the Word Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Holy Spirit's convicting the sinner Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Faith Acts 8:36-37 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Repent Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins (also shows the proper order for repent) Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Speaking in other tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance as evidence of receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Regeneration, meaning spiritual birth, spiritual renovation, messanic restoration Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Salvation I would say is not an event to be put in this order but rather a description of the entire process. Acts 2:41-42 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. Thank you Jesus!!! Praise the Lord! Norm |
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2 | Order of occurance | Bible general Archive 2 | DocTrinsograce | 127307 | ||
By the way, if anyone is interested, the theological term for what we are discussing is the latin "ordo salutis;" i.e., the order of salvation. I did some research and here is what I found: In the Reformed Camp: 1) election, 2) predestination, 3) gospel call 4) inward call 5) regeneration, 6) conversion (faith and repentance), 7) justification, 8) sanctification, and 9) glorification. In the Arminian camp: 1) outward call 2) faith/election, 3) repentance, 4) regeneration, 5) justification, 6) perseverance, 7) glorification. Note in the former ordo salutis that spiritual life is a prerequisite for existence of the other aspects of salvation. The latter camp they hold that the natural man retains some moral capacity to receive or reject the gospel on his own power. There's my two farthings worth. |
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3 | The ordo salutis | Bible general Archive 2 | New Creature | 127451 | ||
Dear Doc; Thank you for the interesting reply. You listed the "ordo salutis" from the viewpoint of two separate theological camps. In the reformed camp the inward call is listed before regeneration. It seems to me that any inward call to those who are spiritually dead would be useless. Wouldn't it make more sense if the inward call came after "regeneration?" The dead cannot hear, can they, so why list an inward call before regeneration? Next in the Arminian camp the events in order as you listed them seem, at least to me to be an impossible order of events. In that list regeneration comes after repentannce. How can an unregenerate spiritually dead man repent. The dead can do nothing until they have been acted upon by a life giving power outside their ownselves can they? Or am I mistaken? my widows mite worth New Creature |
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4 | The ordo salutis | Bible general Archive 2 | DocTrinsograce | 127472 | ||
Yes, New, good observations. I'd have placed regeneration first based on my understanding of Reformed theology, but when I looked it up, that's how it was listed. I am even harder pressed on the Arminian side of things. I can only hardily agree with you. I fear saying much more lest I plunge this thread into that netherworld where controversies tend to go go on this forum. :-) One thing that should be pointed out: In the former camp there is an admission that the ordo salutis is somewhat synthetic. That is, it is recognized that what we are trying to dissect is a single act of God. Hence, some of the items might well occur simultaneously. Time is, after all, the context in which the human mind operates -- a context to which God is not subject. I suspect that the latter camp might agree at least in principle with this sentiment. |
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