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1 | Things people THINK in the BIBLE but not | Bible general Archive 2 | Hank | 126757 | ||
Stultis the Fool writes: "We do not sin because we are sinners. We are sinners because we have sinned, not because someone else did." ...... Scripture teaches no such thing. The Bible teaches that in Adam's sin of disobedience to the revealed will and Word of God, man lost his innocence, incurred the penality of spiritual and physical death; became subject to the wrath of God; and became inherently corrupt and utterly incapable of choosing or doing that which is acceptable to God apart from divine grace. With no recuperative powers to enable him to recover himself, man is hopelessly lost. Man's salvation is therefore totally of God's grace through the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross. Scripture: Genesis 2:16,17; 3:1-19; John 3:36; Romans 3:23; 6:23; 1 Corinthians 2:14; Ephesians 2:1-3; 1 Timothy 2:13,14; 1 John 1:8. .......... The Bible further teaches that because all men were in Adam, a nature corrupted by Adam's sin has been transmitted to all men in all ages, Jesus Christ being the sole exception. All men are thus sinners by nature, by choice, and by divine declaration. Scripture: Psalms 14:1-3; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 3:9-18; 5:10-12. --Hank | ||||||
2 | Things people THINK in the BIBLE but not | Bible general Archive 2 | Stultis the Fool | 126773 | ||
Psalm 14:1-3 says there are wicked men who have "turned aside" and do not "seek after God." It says nothing of birth and sin. Jeremiah 17:9, while it describes the heart of a sinner, says nothing of birth and sin. Romans 3:9-18 perpetuates this same concept of "turning aside" and does not speak of birth, and I can't see anything AT ALL that Romans 5:10-12 says regarding being born with sin. I am not denying that all have chosen to sin and thus die, and I most certainly advocate Christ as our One and Only Savior and our Propitiation for our Sins, but there is not one scripture that plainly explains that the Lord has created babies doomed to hell due to a lack of acceptance of the confession of Christ because of their "original sin." In fact, the scriptures instruct us in a number of places that the child will not suffer for the iniquity of the father. We choose to sin. Man does have a sinful nature, but that is not to say that man is a transgressor from birth. Again, all sin is transgression, and to transgress the Law in any point is to transgress the whole Law, and no murderer shall inherit the kingdom of God. Small children are incapable of confessing Christ, so strickening them with sin is to challenge them with a temptation they cannot bear. The bible also tells us that any who put a stumbling block before a child would profit himself to hang a rock from himself and cast himself into the "abyss." You believe God creates children with sin. If this is the case, shall the Lord not hang the millstone from His own neck? |
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3 | Things people THINK in the BIBLE but not | Bible general Archive 2 | Hank | 126777 | ||
Stultis the Fool: Wait, slow down, you're way ahead of me. You write, "You believe God creates children with sin." Where did you get that idea? Not from me, certainly, because I never said it. I will say this, however: God does not create babies, with sin or without sin; He never has created babies. God created two human beings, and two only. They were Adam and Eve and they were never babies. Scripture reference: the first three chapters of Genesis. --Hank | ||||||
4 | Things people THINK in the BIBLE but not | Bible general Archive 2 | Stultis the Fool | 126792 | ||
I suppose he didn't create the most important baby either? Scripture Reference: the Gospels according to Mathew and Luke. Talk to any parent and see if they don't call their new child a "gift from God." Every good gift and every perfect gift is of God. Don't stumble about on shakey ground... the breath of life comes from God, and nowhere is life more abundant than in a newborn. It is quite obvious that the Lord creates men (and women). Read Romans 9:19-24. Anyway, is it your point that man is created of a corruptable flesh? If this is the case, I obviously have no issue with what you write, as we I agree completely. However, if it is your intention to prove that children bear the iniquity of the fathers, being born with sin, I must say that you are wrong. | ||||||
5 | Things people THINK in the BIBLE but not | Bible general Archive 2 | Hank | 126801 | ||
Stultis, you have mentioned semantics before in your posts, and it occurs to me that we may be experiencing a semantic problem also. You keep referring to man as being created. The only man whom God created was Adam and the only woman Eve. Their offspring were all of them procreated, and by the process of procreation, which God chose as the means by which man could obey His command to "be fruitful and multiply" the family of man continues. --Hank | ||||||
6 | This post is restricted. What gives? | Bible general Archive 2 | Stultis the Fool | 126805 | ||
I understand what you say, however, I must give do credit to the creator where all life is concerned. I am familiar with what the scriptures say regarding creation, be fruitful, etc., but I wish to steal none of the glory from the Creator. Soloman believed we were all created by God [Ecclesiastes 3:20, 12:7], and as such I see no reason to apply semantics here. I am certain that all ment are created by the Lord, just as I am sure they are given their spirit from Him. I see this post is restricted. What gives? |
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7 | This post is restricted. What gives? | Bible general Archive 2 | DocTrinsograce | 126809 | ||
I wonder if we can deduce what words trigger restrictedness? How much you want to bet they include words that our early Scotish, Dutch, English, or Colonial forebears used with regularity? :-) Oops, sorry, I don't gamble. :-) | ||||||
8 | This post is restricted. What gives? | Bible general Archive 2 | Stultis the Fool | 126811 | ||
How much you want to bet "restrictedness" does not solve any problems, and does not foster an outcome that will develope a Church that is of "one mind" and in "accord." I do gamble :P | ||||||