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1 | Things people THINK in the BIBLE but not | Bible general Archive 2 | Stultis the Fool | 126764 | ||
BradK, I appreciate your thoughts on the matter, however your allegations against me of blasphemy are not appreciated. I have chosen to treat you like I love you, and conduct a normal conversation with you. We should refute with sound scripture, and exhort one another with love. Instead, you have begun ridiculing me and calling me names. We know that we will know a vine by its fruits. Look at your signature, and emulate what it professes. Bear good fruit, not poison. As to your response, I will point out that there are many scriptures that tell us we are born of a corruptable flesh, and I believe you are confusing these things with "original sin." You quote Romans 5:9 claiming we inherit a sinful nature because of Adam, but I tell you plainly that Roman's 5:9 says nothing of the sort. I know that Romans 5:12 says that through one man sin and death "entered the world," but that does not make us guilty of sin from birth. You quote Jeremiah 17:9, but you do not know that that verse does not describe a Christian, or have you never read that God will "...cleanse us from all unrighteousness?" Or again that God abides in us? Do you call the Holy Spirit that dwells within all who are saints "no good thing?" Additionallym in Romans 8:3, you tell me that I ignore the context, but I assure you that the context is to tell us that our Lord was tempted in all the ways we are tempted, and to assure us that he overcame temptation. Have you never read that we will not be tempted beyond what we can bare? Are you not aware that our birth is a thing that there is no way out of? Look to our example of how sin entered the world... the Serpent TEMPTED man, and he committed sin. Do you suggest that God created Adam in a state of sin? Or have you never read that the Devil sinned from the beginning? What you have attempted to methodically orient is a direct contradiction of various scriptures. The explanation of sin you make defies the context of Ezekial chapter 18. Continue reading in context what is discussed in Romans chapter 8. You will see two things. First, the old testament is being quoted to describe Jews and Gentiles under the Law, not Christians who have repented and are now "apart from the Law," further, you will identify the fact that Paul describes their sins as those "previously committed," [Romans 3:25] and not those "derived from creation." You argue symantics over the word "likeness," claiming that it does not mean "likeness." I assure you that the word is used in context with sinful flesh, and by implication of scripture, places Christ in the same shoes we walk in [Hebrews 4:15]. Additionally, James paints an excellent description of how sin occurs, [James 1:14 and 15]. If you are not tempted to sin, I envy you. However, I assure you that we are at war for our soles, even with the flesh (read Romans chapter 7). You say we are created with sin, but I tell you also that Christ came to destroy the works of the Devil (those works being sin),[1 John 3:8], and I tell you that Christ has not come to destroy men. Again, have you never read: "Whatsoever a man soeth, that shall he also reap." What sin has a child sewn, that he should reap it, or has the Lord sewn sin to the child? Psalm 51:5 "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me." David speaks of receiving a corruptable body of the flesh through natural birth, or is David not a man after God's own heart? Read Deuteronomy 1:39 "Moreover, your little ones who you said would become a prey, and your sons, who this day have no knowledge of good or evil, shall enter there, and I will give it to them and they shall possess it." Does this sound like someone born with sin? Have you not read 2 Kings 14:6? "But the sons of the slayers he did not put to death, according to what is written in the book of the Law of Moses, as the LORD commanded, saying, "The fathers shall not be put to death for the sons, nor the sons be put to death for the fathers; but each shall be put to death for his own sin."" The corruption in this world is through lust [2 Peter 1:4], and we have already seen how James explains lust as temptation leading to sin.. and not sin an unfortuanate eventuality of birth. Have you never heard the words of Jesus in Mathew 18:3 "And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven." Does this sound as though children have sin? And again Christ said [Mathew 18:10]: "Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven." Does this sound as though there is nothing good in children? Or as though children are wicked sinners? More continued in the next post. |
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2 | Things people THINK in the BIBLE but not | Bible general Archive 2 | BradK | 126768 | ||
Stultis, With all due respect, No, I did not ridicule you or call YOU names! I stand by what I said. What you SAID is and was blasphemous! There is a major difference between attacking a person- which I most certainly did not- and calling a spade a spade! Your statement was appropriately labeled. It is not in accord with orthodox Christianity with regard to the person of Christ. Therefore it is blasphemous. I'm not going to waste my time addressing every point, but to ignore the grammar in interpretation is either ignorant or careless- nothing personal, but a fact. It is not arguing semantics. It goes to the very heart of the matter- sound principles of Biblical interpretation. Words have meaning, and to properly interpret, we must know the exact meaning of those words. No, "My doctrine" is not mine, but that which scripture teaches and has been the foundation of the Historical Christian Church. In all fairness, as you are a newcomer, might you be so kind as to enlighten us as to what your background is and what it is you believe? Are you in agreement with the Lockman Foundation's Doctrinal Statement for starters? Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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3 | Things people THINK in the BIBLE but not | Bible general Archive 2 | Stultis the Fool | 126769 | ||
I am in no way a respector of persons, and I resent that you would question my capacities as a Christian because I am new to these forums. I am sorry, but children are not born with sin. If you would care to refute all that I wrote, I will gladly change my mind. However, since your argument hinges on interpretation of the word "likeness," despite obvious context, I will remain in disagreement with you. Additionaly, I am unsure as to what "Orthodox" opinion you believe prescribes original sin, but I quoted AMPLE scripture to the contrary. If all you can do is contradict plain scripture, then neither of us will benefit from any edification whatsoever. Thank you for provoking me to such thought as went into my last post. I am now more conviced than ever that original sin is a false contrivance founded in ignorance and covenant theology. I now see how week the argument for original sin is. I say sincerely, you have my gratitude. |
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