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1 | Things people THINK in the BIBLE but not | Bible general Archive 2 | kalos | 126674 | ||
Creation: Believe it or Not "Understanding origins in the book of Genesis is foundational to the rest of the Bible. If Genesis chapter 1 and chapter 2 don't tell us the truth, then why should we believe anything else in the Bible? If it says in the New Testament that the Creator is our Redeemer, and if God is not the Creator, then maybe He's not the Redeemer either. If it tells us in 2 Peter that God Himself will bring about an instantaneous dissolution of the entire universe as we know it, that God in a moment will uncreate everything, then that has tremendous bearing upon His power to create...the same One who with a word can uncreate the universe is capable of creating it as quickly as He desires. "So what we believe about creation, what we believe about Genesis has implications all the way to the end of Scripture, implications with regard to the veracity and truthfulness of Scripture, implications as to the gospel and implications as to the end of human history all wrapped up in how we understand origins in the book of Genesis. The matter of origins then is absolutely critical to all human thinking. It becomes critical to how we conduct our lives as human beings. Without an understanding of origins, without a right understanding of origins, there is no way to comprehend ourselves. There is no way to understand humanity as to the purpose of our existence, and as to our destiny. If we cannot believe what Genesis says about origins, we are lost as to our purpose and our destiny. Whether this world and its life as we know it evolved by chance, without a cause, or was created by God has immense comprehensive implications for all of human life. (...) "Either you believe God did create the heavens and the earth or you believe He did not. Really those are the only two valid options you have. And if you believe that God did create the heavens and the earth, then you are left with the only record of that creation and that's Genesis 1 and you are bound to accept the text of Genesis 1 as the only appropriate and accurate description of that creative act. "So again I say, you're left really with two choices. You either believe Genesis or you don't. You either believe the Genesis account that God created the heavens and the earth, or you believe they somehow evolved out of random chance. "This is more than just a secondary issue. " [Excerpt from "Creation: Believe it or Not--Part 1" (www.gty.org/Broadcast/transcripts/90-208.htm)] |
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2 | 7 days? | Bible general Archive 2 | Stultis the Fool | 126677 | ||
Was the "world" created in seven twenty-four hour days, as described in Genesis chapter 1? | ||||||
3 | 7 days? | Bible general Archive 2 | TheFinalSQL | 126685 | ||
Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: Time, as described by our day of 24 hours relates to the sun and the revolution, or the spinnning of our earth on it's axis. These lights created, that we may know time, did not come until day four. Time, as days described in creation, relates to God, not our earth and sun. 2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. Praise the Lord! Norm |
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4 | Allegorical? | Bible general Archive 2 | Stultis the Fool | 126690 | ||
So, use of the word "day" is simply an allegorical measure for the simplicity of our understanding, yes? This should be especially true considering the words you quote were written by Peter 1500 years later than those written by Moses in Genesis. | ||||||
5 | Allegorical? | Bible general Archive 2 | TheFinalSQL | 126695 | ||
No, day is relative to where you are. Those vehicles that were sent to Mars. Their day is not our day. Our day is relative to Earth. Their day is relative to Mars. Praise the Lord! Norm |
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6 | How do you explain? | Bible general Archive 2 | Stultis the Fool | 126699 | ||
How then do you explain Paul's description of "Sabaths" or "Holy Days" in Colosians 2:16 and 17 when compared to the Author of Hebrews explanation of the creation of man and God's rest found in Hebrew's 3:5 through 4:11. Here (Hebrews) the author thoroughly explains that "God's rest", or the 7th day of creation, is something we strive to enter, and while it is "Today", which, by intent, we can surmise must refer to the 6th day, we should strive to enter "God's rest." Either the author is allegorizing the 7 days of creation, or else he is displaying quite literally that the 6th and 7th days of creation were no more 24 hour periods than the first 4 days. In either case, something is debunked here: 24 hour creaction period following day four OR allegory not being present in the creation. Again, I find Paul's refference to "shadows" lends great credance to this concept. |
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7 | How do you explain? | Bible general Archive 2 | TheFinalSQL | 126700 | ||
"Either the author is allegorizing the 7 days of creation, or else he is displaying quite literally that the 6th and 7th days of creation were no more 24 hour periods than the first 4 days. " The latter, none of the days of creation were 24 hour periods. Also notice the seventh day does not have an evening and a morning, the other six do. We are not looking for a certain day any longer, even as suggested by the scriptures you refer to: Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. If you believe you will enter into rest. Praise the Lord! Norm |
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8 | Allegory? | Bible general Archive 2 | Stultis the Fool | 126703 | ||
Yes, we will enter into "rest," as described by the author, but we will not enter "Today." Therefore, we must be "dilligent" to enter that rest [Hebrews 4:11]. This rest here refers to the Sabath Day, as spoken of in verses 9 and 10. At any rate, the use of the word "day" in Genesis is metaphoric, especially coupled with the concepts of "morning" and "evening." Additionaly, the author of Hebrew's tells us God completed his works from the "foundation of the world" [Hebrews 4:3], and we know the foundation of the world was created first of all things, along with the heavens. [Genesis 1:1] The passage explains that the world was "formless and void," thus the "foundation" upon which all else was built. Therefore, if all was finished from the "foundation" of the world, how is it that 6 more days of creation remain, unless there is allegory? We are all in agreement that God the Almighty can create the world in seven days, even 24 hour periods as defined in the modern sense. Is it also unreasonable to believe that all could be completed from the first day, in an instant, and the summation of his work bloomed over the next five days, in due course with his desire for creation? |
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9 | Allegory? | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 126761 | ||
We are all in agreement that God the Almighty can create the world in seven days, even 24 hour periods as defined in the modern sense. Is it also unreasonable to believe that all could be completed from the first day, in an instant, and the summation of his work bloomed over the next five days, in due course with his desire for creation? Yes it is unreasonable! Why? Because it does not agree with scripture. Let me ask, why are you so bent in trying to make the creation account as recorded in scripture mean or say something different than it says? EdB |
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10 | Unreasonable? | Bible general Archive 2 | Stultis the Fool | 126771 | ||
I am not. I am stating that the Author of Hebrews uses the creation account as allegory, and his allegory contradicts a literal 7-day 24hour creation. Read it for yourself. Hebrews 3:5 through 4:11. If the Author of Hebrews feels at liberty to allegorize the creation, is it unreasonable for us to ponder such things? | ||||||
11 | Unreasonable? | Bible general Archive 2 | mark d seyler | 126776 | ||
Hi Stultis, I don't think it is unreasonable for us to ponder anything if our heart is in sincere and honest pursuit of God's truth. "Seek, and ye shall find!" Jesus said that as Jonah was in the belly of the fish so he would be in the heart of the earth. This does not mean that Jonah was actually in the earth, but that one thing illustrates another. Jesus uses the familiar account to illustrate the point He is making, but that does not change the meaning of the original story. In Ex. 20:9-11, God says that as He created the the heavens and the earth in six days, then rested on the seventh day. He blessed that day, and told the Israelites to likewise rest on that day. The simple plain meaning of this is that these are days as we know them, as we would rest on the seventh day, that is the kind of day God created in. Hebrews and Psalms speak of the day of rest in the grander scheme of God, particularly Hebrews. We are to cease from our own work, and enter His rest. Hebrews uses one thing to illustrate another, but again, that does not mean that it changes the meaning of the original story. Love in Christ, Mark |
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12 | Unreasonable? | Bible general Archive 2 | Stultis the Fool | 126787 | ||
I agree with you. I do not seek to unmake the meaning of creation. I just wish to indicate the "grander scheme of God" illustrated in Hebrews does not convey the literal events of creation. I will also add that neither does such disprove them. My point being that use of the creation in allegory is not a wholly unnacceptable practice. Thank you for the input. |
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