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1 | New Perspective of Sha'ul | NT general Archive 1 | Val | 193590 | ||
In Acts 15:10 Paul is addressing a sect of Jews who were adding to the gospel by wanting to require the gentiles to become Jews. See verse 5. This was a transition point in which a meeting was called, see verse 1 and 2. The outcome of the meeting is stated in verse 19 and 20. These things; things contaminated by idols, fornication, what is strangled and from blood are not things that must be done to be saved but how to live after one is saved. In Galatians 2:11-14 Peter was making a distinction between Jews and gentiles and was not allowing fellowship between the two as is evidenced by his not letting them sit at his table. Again this is not adding to how to be saved but how to live after one is saved. Paul rebuked him for his behaviour no doubt because of Peter's great influence. In James 2:10 James is not saying how to be saved but how to live after one is saved. Some were showing partiality, see verse 9, and he compares this sin with the sin of adultery and murder. He is saying not to show partiality that it is a bad thing. He is showing them how to live after one is saved, how to treat our fellow man, see verse 12 and 13. |
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2 | New Perspective of Sha'ul | NT general Archive 1 | srbaegon | 193602 | ||
Hello Val, Yes, the outcome is stated in 15:19-20. The outcome was directed to Christians in Antioch and the surrounding area to abstain from those things because of the Jews in the area. It was not binding everywhere for all Christians. It is quite specific. As to James 2:10, you have the context correct, but in the paragraph, James is summarizing to show that the sin of partiality, and they stand guilty of the whole law by failing in one thing. Steve |
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3 | New Perspective of Sha'ul | NT general Archive 1 | Val | 193660 | ||
Could you elaborate more on the passage in the sense of how you come to the conclusion that it is not binding everywhere for all Christians saying it is quite specific. The book of James is not about how to be saved but how to live after one is saved. You are right the way to salvation is not by keeping the law but through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. |
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4 | New Perspective of Sha'ul | NT general Archive 1 | srbaegon | 193666 | ||
Hello Val, In summarizing, James states that he is asking for these things to be done because of the Jews (15:21). While one could make a solid case that there were Jews in every part of the Roman empire, so that Christians would be asked to do these things, it also follows suit that if there are no Jews, nothing is required. Therefore, what James recommended could be nothing more than a good idea if Jews were living in a community. It is not binding because it is not binding on all Christians. Steve |
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5 | New Perspective of Sha'ul | NT general Archive 1 | Val | 193734 | ||
Note in Acts 15:1 the men who are teaching falsely- adding to the gospel. Note in Acts 15:2 the meeting is called and the leaders meet to discuss this heated issue. Note in Acts 15:3-4 where they are and what they are doing. Note in Acts 15:5 they state the people who are adding to the gospel and why. Note in Acts 15:6 it is a joint decision of the leaders Note in Acts 15:7 Peter relates how God had spoke to him about the gentiles (anyone who is not a jew) By reading the entire book of Acts we get a feel for the book. In this verse he specifically states the gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. Note in Acts 15:8 that upon that belief they (the gentiles) were given the Holy Spirit. This is how the Jews were saved as Peter states (just as He also did to us). Note in Acts 15:9 Peter says there is no longer a distinction made between Jews and Gentiles - in the sense first that they are both saved the same way as is stated (their hearts cleansed by faith). Also, in the sense that the Jews were to accept the Gentiles - this was a new concept to them at the time. As you read the climate at that time the Jews disliked the Roman rule - most Romans were gentiles. Also the gentiles did not have the law, the tabernacle, the feasts - they were excluded. They were the people who were far away. Now they were included because God had revealed that to Peter. So the subject is how is anyone who is not a jew saved. Not only for those (the upset brethren)(15:1) but I submit for gentiles for all time. As to the conduct of the gentiles after salvation - in regards to abstaining from those things contaminated by idols. We know that Israel had gotten into deep trouble for idolatry and suffered God's judgment for that so they didn't want to make that mistake again. They wanted nothing to do with idols. Abstain from fornication - there are numerous references to a holy life that we are to follow. Abstain from what is strangled and from blood - there are numerous references to respect for life. Abstaining from these things would be binding on any gentiles who are turning to God as is stated in Acts 15:19 not for salvation but how to live a holy life. In this passage it explains how gentiles are saved and it explains a conduct after salvation. A question we might ask ourselves is how did the Lord view things contaminated by idols, fornication, what is strangled and from blood. Respectfully submitted, |
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6 | New Perspective of Sha'ul | NT general Archive 1 | srbaegon | 193748 | ||
Hello Val, Respectfully declined. Everything you say up to the point of making 19-20 effective for all Gentiles everywhere is correct. Look. The burden of proof is yours to demonstrate that this is effective for all Gentiles against the tide of 2000 years of church history and doctrine. So far you have failed miserably. I recommend that you rethink your position. Steve |
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7 | New Perspective of Sha'ul | NT general Archive 1 | Val | 193791 | ||
Could you cite your sources for your last statement. I would like to read those doctrines. Thanks. | ||||||
8 | New Perspective of Sha'ul | NT general Archive 1 | srbaegon | 193823 | ||
Early Christian Doctrine by J.N.D. Kelly The Christian Tradition, 5 vols by Jaroslav Pelikan The Ante-Nicene Fathers, 10 vols edited by Alexander Roberts Steve |
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