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1 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160881 | ||
1. Your first point, 2 timothy is refering to the old testament. The new testament had not yet been compiled. 2. Your second point proves accuracy, not The actually literal "word of god". 3. Your third point? 4. Integrity of "human authors"? Exactly. This again prove reliability and accuracy, not the actual literal "word of god" 5. "Indestructibility in the bible". The bible has not transformed countless of lives. Christ the creator and savior has change countess lives. Reliable? yes. Accurate? yes. Usefull? yes. "word of God"? no If you believe the bible to be the "word of god" then why does it say that Jesus is the "word of God"? And by the power of the spirit writes his words on our hearts. Jesus is the "word of God" written on all believers hearts. Saying the bible has saved us is like saying to the person who witnessed to us saved us. It is not the messenger (i.e. the bible) it is Jesus Thanks for your response |
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2 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | jlhetrick | 160913 | ||
Hello again hetfield, Just want to make a point here with part of your argument. You write: "Saying the bible has saved us is like saying to the person who witnessed to us saved us." Very well said. Christians do no not say that the bible "saves" us and without going back through every response in this thread, I don't believe anyone on the forum has said that. Perhapse this is where you are having a difficult time with what Christians claim. The bible does not save us, the finished work of Christ is what saves us. But One first has to know of this work and then believe it and have faith in it for ones salvation. It is through the bible that we learn of the work of Christ that saves us. That is how the bible is able to say to us that the faith that we have in fact does come by hearing the word of God. In and of myself I do not even have the faith to believe in the bible or to believe in Jesus Christ and what He did to save me. It is God Himself that gives me that faith and He has done so through my reading and hearing others teach His word, the bible, while speaking to my heart through His Spirit. I fear that your ability to believe may have been hindered by the early experiences that you mentioned earlier in this thread. It seems as though you are looking for scientific type data or other evidence outside of scripture to convince yourself that the bible is real or not. In any case, you are placing your hope and basing your salvation on information that you believe to be no more than the written words of men. This is a scary thought. It seems to me that it would be impossible for someone to truly believe in the true God and at the same time believe that He only spoke to us between the lines and paragraphs of the writings of several men. That would be a most cruel joke for God to play on mankind, leaving us to wonder which part to believe and which part to throw out. That would hardly be a mechanism for building faith. One final thought. If you are truly searching for the truth in this matter then it is fair to say that you are not sure. Otherwise you would believe you already know the truth and would not need to spend this kind of time working it out. If this is true let me ask you to consider not making statements such as "the bible is not the word of God". You might imagine how offended God might be if it is in fact. Sincerely, Jeff |
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3 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | Lead Pipe | 160916 | ||
How offended will God be if what hetfield is suggesting is the truth, it works both ways. I would like to believe the bible is Gods word but in my opinion there’s not enough evidence to support that conclusion. What bothers me is that many people link salvation to believing in "Gods word." I have been told I'm not saved or I'm not a true Christian because I'm not convinced that it is Gods word, Yet I put my faith in Christ. My response is; is it Christ's sacrifice plus believing that the bible is the word of God that equals salvation?" Clearly it is by Christ’s sacrifice alone that we are saved. Maybe someday I will see some evidence that will convince me that the bible is Gods word, life would be alot easier, maybe they will even allow me to join my church. | ||||||
4 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | ItsMe | 160959 | ||
Don't worry about joining a church. Just pray and read. If you read all the responses in this thread you might lean a little more toward the belief that the Bible is God's inspired word. You do not need it to get saved. I believe many people in remote areas have been saved without it. Many also would never have been if someone didn't share the word with them. I went through the late 50's -80's reading it, studying it, and doubting it. I had found Christ but there was so much bible I couldn't swallow. Somewhere I turned my perspective into really wanting to know. I somehow let go of all my arguments and proofs. Now, daily, I pray show me what you want me to get out of this portion of your word, or something similar, and I read. Often I feel Him very close. I have no doubt it is the word He wants me to be reading and when all else fails, I can find a truth in this word. Lee Stroebel's books helped me a lot too. He didn't believe in it at all. He proved himself wrong. God isn't offended if Hetfield is suggesting it, in honest desire to know the truth. If you put your faith in Christ and seek Him, He will lead you right back to the Bible. He has done it to me so many times. God bless you both in your pursuit. |
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