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1 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | Hank | 160838 | ||
hetfield - Yours is a multi-faceted question, so please permit me comment on but two of them. ...... You ask why we need to believe the Bible is the word of God in order to become a member of a church. Well, we don't actually, at least in some groups that call themselves churches. If they don't ask, we need not tell. But what good is membership in a church like that? We don't "get saved" by joining a church. In fact, we can join a dozen churches and still be as lost as a goose in a snow storm. There is absolutely no way to be saved except by God's grace through faith in His Son, Jesus Christ (See Ephesians 2:8,9). The point I'm striving for is this: having one's name on a local church's membership roll is not tantamount to being saved; not by a long shot. ..... Now as touching your question of whether the New Testament is the word of God. Let's suppose it is not. Let's just assume it was written by a few rather ignorant, overly-zealous men, of the common class for the most part, who lived some two thousand years ago. Let's further assume that it is studded with error, ancient myth and superstition, full of mistakes, exaggerations, and wishful thinking. Keeping in mind therefore these assumptions, let's ask ourselves: (1) Why haven't scholars, even highly skeptical ones, been able to put the whole New Testament to the lie? They've had nearly two thousand years to make their case and prove it. But how many bona fide proofs can you find that the New Testament is a hoax, a bogus book not worth a plug nickel? How many? ...... (2) If the New Testament is not the inspired, inerrant word of God but is on the contrary a curious and spurious group of writings of dubious value that testify of the man Jesus who himself never wrote anything that we know of -- if such is the case, how can we believe in Jesus at all? Are we so naive that we would believe fairy tales? Would we trust our eternal soul to a testimony that was so obviously steeped in myth and fable? Can we say we believe in Jesus and reject the only written testimony that we have, a compendium of 27 little books we call the New Testament? ........ Where did you learn of Jesus? Friend, where did you learn of Jesus? Again, friend, where did you learn of Jesus? Was it from the New York Times? ....... I'll close this post with some words I pray that you will ponder long and seriously: "And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." (John 20:30,31) ..... Bibliography: Please read "The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict," by Josh McDowell. It answers many of your questions in depth, something that cannot really be accomplished on a Forum such as this. ...... May God lead you to His truth, to His Son, the Savior. --Hank | ||||||
2 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160841 | ||
I appreciate your response Hank. I can and do believe in Jesus because of the bible. I said that I found it to be accurate, useful and reliable. I dont think you can find salvation through a church any more than you can find salvation by having faith in the bible. My salvation can be found in the gospel. It is not actual message that saves it is the meaning. My faith lies in Christ. Thanks again for your response. | ||||||
3 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | Hank | 160855 | ||
But hetfield, what do you call the gospel? And since you say your faith lies in Christ, where did you hear of Christ? From where does your knowledge of Christ come? The Bible says that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God (See Romans 10:17). ..... If, as you seem to contend, the New Testament is not the word of God, how is it then possible to trust it sufficiently to have faith in Him of whom it testifies? ...... If you hold, as you say, that the New Testament is not the word of God, and at the same time contend that it's not the message but the meaning that saves, aren't you thereby trying to extract meaning from a message that is itself faulty, uninspired, man-generated, and therefore subject to the vagaries of human error of all sorts? If the messengers are not divinely inspired but instead are flawed, the messengers in this case being fallible human beings, doesn't it make sense to question the veracity of their message? And if the message is flawed, why should the meaning be trusted? ....... It all boils down to this, hetfield. Either God inspired the New Testament or He did not. If He did, which is my position, then the message is reliable and so is its meaning. If He did not, neither the message nor the meaning is trustworthy and you may as well throw the idea of Christianity out with the bath water, because it is a cruel hoax and a big lie. ..... If my questions and comment fail to represent your thinking accurately, if they distort it, please forgive me and correct my errors. ...... And by the way, what are your thoughts on the suggestion I made in my former post, to get a copy of "The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict," by Josh McDowell, and to read it? --Hank | ||||||
4 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160977 | ||
Gospel-Christ is God, our savior, put faith in him, him only. Heard Christ from friends and bible. You, said "If, as you seem to contend, the New Testament is not the word of God, how is it then possible to trust it sufficiently to have faith in Him of whom it testifies?" I am sure you have have reasons for believing the bible to be accurate. Like yours I'm sure, mine are,the authors showed humility in writting about their struggles and failures. The fact that they died for their faith. They didn't do it for fame, fortune, sex, power. Even if their were faults or minor inconsistencies, the meaning and message of the gospel of Christ will not change. I believe it to be accurate and reliable. I would never throw it out I believe it to be useful. The josh mcdowell book- I am not against reading it. Just really busy. I will keep in mind. Did you like it? Thanks |
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