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1 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160829 | ||
It is my opinion that the new testament in accurate, useful and reliable but not "the word of God". It seems that 2 timothy 3:16 is not refering to the new testament. It had not yet been compiled. It is my opinion that the word of God is Christ and the gospel as in (2 corinthians 2:17,4:2, john 1:1, 1:14) I think the belief that the bible is the word of god is a stumbling block for some people to come to Christ. Do we need to believe the bible is the word of God for salvation? Then why do we Christians seem to hold on to this belief? Why do we need to believe the bible is the word of God in order to become a member of a church? Are there any Christian groups or demominations that have my view? I would greatly appreciate your opinion on this subject. |
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2 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | jlhetrick | 160833 | ||
Hello hetfield, It appears that you are honestly seeking the truth here and I hope I'm right. Otherwise you would only be trying to stir controversy. Assuming you are in search of the truth let me address your post. Basically, you state that you do not believe that the bible, particularly the New Testament, is the word of God. The problem I have with your premise is that you only use the New Testament to support your belief. The scripture you referred to were all New Testament. I find it peculiar that you would do this. I believe it is important that each of us have reasonable evidence for what we "believe". You are asking for others to give that evidence but you state your own belief without offering evidence of any kind. If you are truly seeking then you must be willing to honestly evaluate the evidence. This can only be done by a real study of the New Testament which must include it's relationship to the Old Testament. What you will find among many things, is that it and the Old Testament both affirm each other. There are others that can articulate this much better than I, but the best approach I believe is for you to begin an honest study for yourself. You say you believe in God. Start your study with prayer and ask Him to show you the truth. More specifically, you asked if it is necessary to believe the bible is the word of God in order to be saved. I would ask, if salvation is not found in the bible, where would one find it? Is the New Testament to be included? Well, the Old Testament does not offer a savior, but only the promise of one. The finished work of the Savior is found in the New Testament, therefore, it must be more than just accurate and reliable. It must be absolute and trustworthy. Otherwise, we can not be sure that the promised savior was and is Jesus Christ and that he has come, died, rose, and ascended finishing the work that does save us. Simply put, witout the New Testament, we have no salvation, but only the promise of a savior to come. So, yes, we must believe the bible is the word of God because without it we have nothing to believe in. But it is not believing this that saves us, it is trusting in the truth and the gracious gift of God through Christ that it teaches us about that saves us. I hope this is helpful, Jeff |
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3 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | hetfield | 160840 | ||
Yes I am honestly seeking the truth. I grew up in the a church where the gospel was not preached and legalism, religion and traditions of men decieved me for many years. After being set free and finding the truth about Gods salvation through faith in Christ I am very vigilant about what people tell me. People have told me and I have believed for years that the bible is the word of god. My research has led me to believe that the bible is an accurate account of the life of Jesus. I am thankfull for the new testament! But the word of god? My faith is in Christ. I think some people put their faith in the bible. I put mine in Christ. I believe New testament and old testament "affirm" each other. The old testament tells us about Jesus and what is going to happen and the New testament tells us what did happen. I believe the Gospel message is in the bible. Not that the bible is the gospel message. I appreciate your response. |
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4 | Is belief in the bible needed to be save | NT general Archive 1 | jlhetrick | 160870 | ||
Hello again hetfield, I thank God for your earnest search for the truth. God says that "...those who seek me will find me." (Proverbs 8:17). From experience I can say that this is not a single event of finding but an ongoing process of revelation and change as we study God's word and learn obedience. God can and does speak to our spirit through His Spirit, convicting us of wrong and encouraging us. But how do we learn who He is and know Him? I argue that it's through the bible which He has established as the primary method of teaching us who He is and His plan for mankind (and of course the Holy Spirit is at work in that too). You write: "I believe the Gospel message is in the bible. Not that the bible is the gospel message." Imagine if I was told by a new boss that I had to read and follow the company's personel policy manual as the governing authority of the company. Would it be logical to respond with something like; I believe the companies governing authority is found in that manual, but I do not believe that manual is the governing authority? It would be the another way of telling my new boss that I will read the manual and decide for myself which part of it I consider to be governing and then follow that portion only as having authority over me. This is not only illogical, but also insufficient. I would soon find myself in error on some part and the same governing authority (manual) that has established authority will serve as the legitimacy for my discipline and possibly being fired. I can continue to denie it's authority over me all the way out the door and into the unemployment line. My denial of it does nothing to lessen it's authority. Another simple way of looking at the bible when considering it as totally authoratative, from God, the truth and without error is this. If the bible is not the word of God and only parts of it contain God's word, which parts do I include? Again, it would be irrational to use any of it in this case because I would not know what was from God and what was not. Another argument goes like this. If there is a single false statement or untruth found anywhere in the bible, then how can I trust any of it. Finally, you write: "After being set free and finding the truth about Gods salvation through faith in Christ I am very vigilant about what people tell me. People have told me and I have believed for years that the bible is the word of god. My research has led me to believe that the bible is an accurate account of the life of Jesus. I am thankfull for the new testament! But the word of god? My faith is in Christ. I think some people put their faith in the bible. I put mine in Christ." Think of this more deeply. Why would you put your faith in the Christ you learned of and came to know from the bible, if the bible is not the Word of God? The New testament is where we find the risen Christ. Paul wrote: 1 Cor 15:13-14 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. NIV Think on it. God would not have you deceived. He promises to honor and reward your seeking Him and He will do it. Continue the search and God bless you in your journey. Sincerely, Jeff |
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