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1 | Why are NT epistles in that Bible order? | NT general Archive 1 | EdB | 100862 | ||
Pam I was afraid you were going to say something like that. Oh well! Maybe we can everyone to kick in and pay for DSL for you so you can summarize the forum. How's that? EdB |
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2 | Why are NT epistles in that Bible order? | NT general Archive 1 | Pam D | 100928 | ||
Dear Ed, For my own benefit, I think I'm going to summarize this thread on sanctification and the other one that started when I reposted one of my questions. When I get done, I will post it for others to read. I'm just waiting for one more answer from Joe on his view of 2Peter 1:4. You probably saw the post on ID 100109. I was asking Joe specifically because of his view on what the new nature is. If you would like to address the question, that would be great. If you don't want to "get into it with Joe" you can address it here if you like. I sent it Sat - do you think it is buried now - or do you think perhaps Joe took the weekend off? After I summarize this thread, I'm thinking of summarizing some of the other major topics that people keep discussing. What subject do you think I should attack first after this thread? Blessings, Pam |
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3 | Why are NT epistles in that Bible order? | NT general Archive 1 | EdB | 100961 | ||
Pam I'm not speaking for Joe but I believe he is taking a rest from the forum. I think his hands are full helping to care for a new set of twins. 2 peter 1:4 probably MacArthur says it best. 1:4 exceedingly great and precious promises. That is, the promises of abundant and eternal life. partakers of the divine nature. This expression is not different from the concepts of being born again, born from above (cf. John 3:3; James 1:18; 1 Pet. 1:23), being in Christ (cf. Rom. 8:1), or being the home of the Trinity (John 14:17–23). The precious promises of salvation result in becoming God’s children in the present age (John 1:12; Rom. 8:9; Gal. 2:20; Col. 1:27), and thereby sharing in God’s nature by the possession of His eternal life. Christians do not become little gods, but they are “new creations” (2 Cor. 5:17) and have the Holy Spirit living in them (1 Cor. 6:19,20). Moreover, believers will partake of the divine nature in a greater way when they bear a glorified body like Jesus Christ (Phil. 3:20,21; 1 John 3:1–3). escaped the corruption. The word “corruption” has the idea of something decomposing or decaying. “Escaped” depicts a successful flight from danger. At the time of salvation, the believer escapes from the power which the rottenness in the world has over him through his fallen, sinful nature. MacArthur, J. J. (1997, c1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed.) (2 Pe 1:4). Nashville: Word Pub. Once again I look at as the reassurance that we can resist sin in our walk to live holy and righteous lives. EdB |
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4 | 2Pe1:4How believer partake of God natur | NT general Archive 1 | Pam D | 101832 | ||
I still don’t get what 2Peter 1:4 means. Dear ED, Sorry I wasn't able to get back to you right away. “Life” got in the way! Every commentary I read says what you (or the MacArthur Study Bible) said, but, I still don't get it. That’s why I asked this question in the first place. I recognize that the Holy Spirit dwells in the believer. But I don’t see how this passage is saying that. Perhaps you can help me process this through. It seems to me that Peter is writing to people who are already believers (vs 1). So why would Peter tell BELIEVERS that they “MIGHT” become “Partakers of the Divine nature” when they already have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them? Could the Divine nature be refering to the Fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22)? Verse 5 goes on to say that “For this very reason (what reason?) applying all diligence, in YOUR FAITH supply ...." Here is the verse and the way I was seeing what each of these phrases mean. The verse phrases are in quotes and my thoughts as to what they mean are in parentheses. What have I misunderstood? 2Peter 1:4 "For by these” (His divine power and the true knowledge of Him) “He has granted to US” (believers) “His precious and magnificent promises, in order that by them” (the promises to the church?) “YOU” (believers-vs 1) “MIGHT” (it doesn’t say “already have”) “become PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE,” (??? fruit of the spirit ???) “having escaped (past tense) the corruption that is in the world by lust." 2Peter 1:5 “For this very reason” (what reason?) “applying all diligence, in YOUR FAITH supply ....” Any help would be greatly appreciated. Blessings, Pam |
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5 | 2Pe1:4How believer partake of God natur | NT general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 101833 | ||
Greetings Pam! If I may address your point, I think that you are getting confused because of the word 'might'. There are two points to address concerning your question. First of all, the verb 'might become' is an Aorist, Subjunctive. The subjunctive mood is the mood of posibility. Secondly, the entire phrase is introduced by the word 'that'. What does this mean? Simply this, the promises were given for a reason. At the time they were given, we were not partakers of the divine nature. But, the promises were given that we might become partakers of the divine nature. So, the word 'might' does not indicate that at the time Peter wrote his letter that they were not 'yet' partakers; rather, it indicates that at the time of the giving of the promises, we were not yet partakers of the divine nature. The promises were given so that we could be! Does this make sense? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Various Questions on James 1:9-12 | NT general Archive 1 | Pam D | 101871 | ||
Dear Tim, So glad you are online and answered this question for me. Of course, it makes perfect sense now! I have a few more questions on some other stuff I am working on at the moment in the book of James. Perhaps you can help me with those questions too. In James 1:9-10, I have a few questions: What is the “high position” in which the poor brother should take pride and what is the low position the rich man (believer?) should take pride (James 1:9)? Why would a person take pride in a low position? What sort of pride is James talking about? Also in James 1:12, I was wondering what is the "Crown of Life"? Is it : 1) It is "Eternal Life" as the Life Application Bible notes says? (If it is eternal life, I don't get it. A crown is a reward, isn’t it? How can eternal life be a reward? Isn’t it a gift?) 2) A martyrs crown (Rev 2:10, Lk 6:22, Matt 5:10-12, 2Tim 3:12 - are these martyrs crowns) ? 3) Or would you agree with the Bible Knowledge commentary that "the life which is promised is probably life here and now, life in its fullness, life in its completeness." Thanks for any insight you may have on these verses. Blessings, Pam PS I have read some of your old postings and it is evident you have insightful comments on many subjects. I just ordered 2 books by an author you suggested in one of your past posts on election, Robert Shank. They just came yesterday - they were backordered. I’m looking forward to reading them. |
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7 | Various Questions on James 1:9-12 | NT general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 101890 | ||
Greetings Pam! I appreciate the kind words. I hope you enjoy the books. Allow me to attempt to respond to your questions. 1) James 1:9-11: As I understand the passage, James is calling for balance in one's view of one's self. The lowly should look to who they are in Christ. There is an equality in Christ that is not found in society. So, those who are lowly should not despise themselves, but consider their position in Christ. Conversely, those who are 'high' in terms of the world, should consider their frailty. According to v. 11, all that he has will pass away in due time. So, in summary, James is advocating a balanced view of one's self. 2) James 1:12: I actually studied the crowns a few years ago. My personal view is that there are really only two crowns. The crown of life which all believers will receive and the martyrs crown which only those who have died for their faith will receive. In terms of the three options listed, I really don't agree with any of them completely. I don't see the Crown of Life as being eternal life, but rather, the symbol of victory which every believer will receive. In other words, James isn't saying, "Finish the race and you will get eternal life". Rather, he is saying, "Finish the race and you will get a symbol of your victory'. I don't know if that made sense or not! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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8 | Various questions on James 1:9-12 | NT general Archive 1 | Pam D | 101903 | ||
Dear Tim, I think I understand what you are saying about vs 9-11, that Jesus puts all BELIEVERS, the rich and poor alike on equal footing so to speak because of their positions in Jesus. So don't trust in your social position or wealth. But I still don’t get what these verses are saying. Vs 9 - Is the high position of the poor brother his position in Christ? Vs 10 - Is the rich man saved? If so, is his low position the fact that he is not saved? Also it seems to be saying that HE, himself, will pass away not his stuff. I noticed that the NIV translates verse 10 very differently from the NASB. The NASB translates the verb as “Let” rather than “should”. NIV “But the one who is rich SHOULD take pride in his low position, because HE will pass away like a wild flower.” NASB “and LET the rich man glory in his humiliation, because like the flowering grass HE will pass away.” Does the translation make a difference in how we should understand this verse? Also, I'm not sure I get what you mean by a "Symbol of victory". Crowns are rewards for our service to Jesus, right? Thanks so much for taking the time to answer my questions. Blessings, Pam |
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9 | Various questions on James 1:9-12 | NT general Archive 1 | EdB | 101948 | ||
Pam I see my brother in Christ Tim has answered your questions up to this point. Let me answer this one by using the NLT, I believe it makes this passage very clear. James 1:9-12 Christians who are poor should be glad, for God has honored them. [10] And those who are rich should be glad, for God has humbled them. They will fade away like a flower in the field. [11] The hot sun rises and dries up the grass; the flower withers, and its beauty fades away. So also, wealthy people will fade away with all of their achievements. [12] God blesses the people who patiently endure testing. Afterward they will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him. Remember all teaching in the Bible repeatedly teaches that this world and all it riches are passing away. When a rich man goes to his grave he is as poor as the poor man and the poor man as rich as the rich man. We become physically equal, exalted or humbled, upon death. The only true thing that matters is our spiritual wealth which comes from enduring or “keep on keeping on.” EdB |
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