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1 | What are your views of once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | New Creature | 90136 | ||
Mike the letter to the Hebrews, is written to Jewish Christian’s. They are converts from Judiaism to Christianity, and are warned about returning to Judiaism. In Hebrews, the writer refers to his readers as brethren. Heb. 3:1,12; 10:19; 13:22, because the writer acknowledages them as Christian brothers. Below I have added commentary on Heb. 6:4-6 from the man many have called the Prince of Preachers, Charles Spurgeon "Those mentioned (in Heb. 6:4-6) are true and real Christian's" "a child reading this passage, would say, that the persons intended by it must be Christians. If the Holy Spirit intended to describe Christians, I do not see that he could have used more explicit terms than there are here." "How can a man be said to be enlightened, and to taste of the heavenly gift, and to be made partaker of the Holy Ghost, without being a child of God?" "I think that I shall be able to show that none but true believers are here described." "First, they are spoken of as having been once enlightened, This refers to the enlightening influence of God's Spirit .... I cannot consider a man truly enlightened unless he is a child of God." "the next thing that God grants to us is a taste of the heavenly gift, by which we understand, the heavenly gift of salvation." "we cannot think that the Holy Spirit would describe an unregenerate man as having been enlightened, and as having tasted of the heavenly gift, No, my brethren, If I have tasted of the heavenly gift, I am one of his." "no man can be a partaker of the Holy Ghost, and yet be unregenerate." "further..... they have tasted the good word of God .... I say again, if these people be not believers-who are?" "They had received the powers of the world to come.... powers with which the Holy Ghost endows a Christian." "These, we say, whatever may be the meaning of the text, must have been, beyond a doubt, none other than true and real Christians" ---------------------------------------- Below is a commentary on John 15:6 from Adam Clarke "Our Lord in the plainest manner intimates that a person may as truly be united to Him as the branch is to the tree that produces it, and yet be afterwards cut off and cast into the fire, because he has not brought forth fruit to the glory of His God. No man can cut off a branch from a tree to which that branch was never united; it is absurd, and contrary to the letter and spirit of the metaphor, to talk of being "seemingly" in Christ - because this means nothing. If there was only a seeming union there could be only a seeming excision. So the matter is just where it began; nothing is done on either side, and nothing said to any purpose. He is cast forth. Observe that person who abides not in Christ in a believing, loving, obedient spirit, (1) is cut off from Jesus, having no longer any right or title to Him or to His salvation. (2) He is withered - deprived of all the influences of God's grace and Spirit. (3) He is gathered - becomes (through the judgment of God) again united with backsliders like himself and other workers of iniquity. And being abandoned to his own heart and Satan, he (4) is cast into the fire - separated from God's people, from God himself, and from the glory of His power. And (5) he is burned - is eternally tormented with the devil and his angels, and with all those who have lived and died in their iniquity. In His service New Creature |
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2 | What are your views of once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | Mickodemus | 90149 | ||
N.C. You better read your sermons over alot more. Or you might be getting your info from sources who are misleading also. ;) As Jibbs quoted in his response to your answer, "Spurgeon is not preaching against once saved-always saved but is preaching for it." If I may quote some lines from Spurgeons sermon, "Final Perseverance": "...God preserves his children from falling away; but he keeps them by the use of means; and one of these is, the terrors of the law, showing them what would happen if they were to fall away...So God says, "My child, if you fall over this precipice you will be dashed to pieces." What does the child do? He says, "Father, keep me; hold thou me up, and I shall be safe." It leads the believer to greater dependence on God, to a holy fear and caution, because he knows that if he were to fall away he could not be renewed, and he stands far away from that great gulf, because he know that if he were to fall into it there would be no salvation for him.If I thought as the Arminian thinks, that I might fall away, and then return again, I should pretty often fall away, for sinful flesh and blood would think it very nice to fall away, and be a sinner, and go and see the play at the theatre, or get drunk, and then come back to the Church, and be received again as a dear brother who had fallen away for a little while. No doubt the minister would say, "Our brother Charles is a little unstable at times." A little unstable! He does not know anything about grace; for grace engenders a holy caution, because we feel that if we were not preserved by Divine power we should perish. We tell our friend to put oil in his lamp, that it may continue to burn! Does that imply that it will be allowed to go out? No, God will give him oil to pour into the lamp continually." Spurgeon also eludes to John Bunyans,"Pilgrims Progress." Which is a great read! I would put more of this sermon in but you can read it for yourself at www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0075.htm You might want to read more Spurgeon to gain some insight on other subjects as well. ;) Thanks again Brother Jibbs, you are a very knowledgable brother and I thank God for your input! Sola Scriptura Mike |
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3 | What are your views of once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | New Creature | 90181 | ||
Mike I have read the entire sermon you mentioned by Spurgeon quite a few times in the past. I personally believe I have been fair in my treatment of his sermon, especially seeing how Spurgeon himself contradicts prior statements, and sort of speaks with a forked tongue. I quote Spurgeon when I believe he maintains a Scriptural opinion. In those instances I feel it is right to quote from him or any other preacher, when their opinions and thoughts reflect a orthodox Bibical stance. In those instances where I sense Spurgeon and other men depart from the proper context and meaning of the inspired text, then I depart from those men and their teachings. Then you stated; "If I thought as the Arminian thinks, that I might fall away, and then return again, I should pretty often fall away, for sinful flesh and blood would think it very nice to fall away" I don't believe that is a comment that accurately reflects the Arminian view. This Arminian believes Heb. 6:4-6 where it says; "it is impossible to renew them again to repentance. Concerning the person that "falls" the text says "it is impossible to renew them again" I cannot agree with the Calvinist view of "once saved, always saved" I personally find that teaching as well as other views that reflect the Reformed position to be inaccurate. So as I see it, Calvinism is not compatable with Scripture. Finally I will end this reply by agreeing with you that Bunyans "Pilgrims Progress" is an excellent book which every Christian should read. In His service New Creature |
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