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1 | Does Heb 6 support "always saved"? | Bible general Archive 1 | New Creature | 90069 | ||
Emmaus Since when is extra-Bibical reference material suppose to be our final standard for truth, especially when it flys in the face of what is plainly taught in God's innerant word? once again concerning the word "enlightened" found in Heb. 6:4 Enlighten: 1 Strong's Number: 5461 Greek: photizo from phos, "light," (a), used intransitively, signifies "to give light, shine," Rev 22:5; (b), used transitively, "to enlighten, illumine," is rendered "enlighten" in Eph 1:18, metaphorically of spiritual "englightenment;" so Jhn 1:9, i.e., "lighting every man" (by reason of His coming); Eph 3:9, "to make (all men) see" (RV marg., "to bring to light"); Hbr 6:4, "were enlightened;" Hbr 10:32, RV, "enlightened," AV, "illuminated." See ILLUMINATED, LIGHT. Cp. photismos, "light," and photeinos, "full of light." Vine's Expository Dictionary Of New Testament Words baptism is not given as a definition for the meaning of "enlightened" In His service New Creature |
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2 | Does Heb 6 support "always saved"? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 90083 | ||
New Creature: "Since when is extra-Bibical reference material suppose to be our final standard for truth, especially when it flys in the face of what is plainly taught in God's innerant word? once again concerning the word "enlightened" found in Heb. 6:4" Since when are you or Strong the final authority on what "flys in the face of what is plainly taught in God's innerant word"? Strong's comes from a theological point of view that preclude's it from identifying enlightenment with baptism. And as far as I know Strong's is not part of the canon of inerrant scriprture. So the last time I looked Strong's is extra biblical too. I think Justin Martyr, who died for the faith in Christ, which he taught, might have at least as clear an understanding of "enlightenment " in Christ as Strong who who had a rather more distant persepctive by 1800 years. What Strong's has to say about the word can be applied to Christ who is the light of the world. You may say that enlightement is about hearing the word and about faith and I say yes too, but I also say that baptism is the sacrament of faith and also incorporates the word. That is were we seem to part company in our basis for interpretation of this passage of Hebrews. St.Paul points out that when we are baptised we are baptised into Christ (Romans 6:1-11). So we can say we are baptised into the Light of the world, who is Jesus Christ (John 1:9, 8:12, 9:1-11; Eph 5:8). The problem here, I think, is that you believe baptism is a mere symbol, I believe it is a scrament that has an effect of transmitting grace because it is Christ who is working and that it is He who baptizes through his body, the Church and it is He, Christ, into whom we are baptised. You separate grace and baptism, I do not. I say that to be bathed (baptised) in Christ is to be bathed in Light. So I ask: Is Jesus Christ the light of the world and are we baptised into Christ who is our Light or not? Emmaus |
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3 | Does Heb 6 support "always saved"? | Bible general Archive 1 | New Creature | 90090 | ||
Emmaus I guess I should have made myself plain at my first response to you. I do not believe in baptismal regeneration. I don't exactly know where you stand on that topic Thats why I said I disagree with those who say we are enlightened through baptism Yes Jesus Christ is the light of the world, He enlightens us, not baptism. Just wanted to clear that up In His service New Creature |
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4 | Does Heb 6 support "always saved"? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 90096 | ||
New Creature, I obviously believe in baptismal regeneration. I do not believe you can separate Christ from baptism. If you do it becomes an empty symbol. But, I see no point in us plowing that overworked piece of ground again. Emmaus |
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5 | Does Heb 6 support "always saved"? | Bible general Archive 1 | New Creature | 90135 | ||
Emmaus While I personally disagree with your belief in baptismal regeneration, I respect your right to hold to that teaching. I know the Church of Christ teaches that. And I believe the Catholics and Mormons also believe that baptism is what saves. But with all due respect I will have to disagree with those who believe such teachings In His service New Creature |
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6 | Does Heb 6 support "always saved"? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 90139 | ||
New Creature, In the baptismal regenration I have no problem being lumped with Angilcan, Lutherans or Church of Christ. I do take issue with being lumped in with Mormons whose baptism is not Christian since it is not Trinitarian and they have acompletely different understanding of who Jesus Christ is. I suspect a Mormon would feel the same way about being lumped in with Catholics. That being said we must go our separate ways on this question. Emmaus |
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