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1 | How is the end really going to happen? | Bible general Archive 1 | thepoet5656 | 33900 | ||
Hi With all this hype going on about the book and Movie Left Behind God has really laid it upon my heart to find out what the bible really says about it and see if human error has played a part in the translation and caused it to be misleading if you have any verses that pertain to the tribulation please feel free to let me know | ||||||
2 | How is the end really going to happen? | Bible general Archive 1 | praisemaster | 33995 | ||
Thepoet5656, After reading all these lines of theology. To correctly state pretrib, when it all began to be introduced in the 1800's, it was called the secret rapture. At that time it was the minority view. Today it is the majority view, especially since the book by Hal Lindsey. And now the ideology of the secret rapture has reached an even greater height of acceptance within the church body. One question I ask, if the secret rapture is so easy to see then why doesn't such great scholars as Martin Luther ever speak of it? How about Mr.Calvin? Or even Gerome? Why is it for almost 1800 years (give or take 400 or 500 yrs.) for the time of the writing of the manuscripts, why are there no other scholars before the 1800's all the way back to Genesis 1:1 that no one expresses this theology. In Matt 10:26 26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. KJV So, just as the Jehovah's Witnesses say, there was no one around to interpret the bible correctly until the Watchtower Society. Kind of erroneus isn't it? It follows the same manifestation and guidelines that no one can interpret these scriptures until the 1800's. Just as I have pointed out to the Jehovah's witnesses, I have just pointed out to you. So the church body was deaf,blind and dumb and all the scholars upon the face of the earth were blinded also. Not that I agree with midtrib but at least they have a genuine argument. But one of the scriptures that the secret rapture people love to use is 1Cor. 15:51-52 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. KJV It amazes me all the books I've read on the rapture ties these verses to 1 Thess.4:13-18 13 Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. 14 We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage each other with these words. (from New International Version) The key is in 1 Cor. 15 is the word "LAST" in the orginal Greek is, NT:2078 eschatos (es'-khat-os); a superlative probably from NT:2192 (in the sense of contiguity); farthest, final (of place or time): KJV - ends of, last, latter end, lowest, uttermost. the word "LAST" has been used with the same translation 53 times in the New Testament. And the context of it's use is always the same. "LAST" is the most furtherest out. I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer but there are only seven trumps, and throughout the Bible you can only find the first and second advent. So, I'm sure you can at least concur with this that the first advent has already happened and we are waiting upon the second with no secret rapture between. Unless I'm confused, and Paul was confused about what he was saying in Corinth compared to what he was saying in Thessalonians. So I'm going to put you on the spot now. If he does not come at the "LAST" trump, does this make Paul a liar? I don't think so. So I encourage everyone to give all the rapture scriptures they can find. (POST-TRIBBER) PRAISEMASTER |
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3 | how credible r we if theres no rapture | Bible general Archive 1 | Ms. Trish | 34018 | ||
Simple statements please. My question is this... What if all the people that are effected by the rapture theory say "Hmm, IF I get a second change to go to heaven after the saints are raptured... then I can just wait, live it up now and worry about it later." Where does it say 2nd changes are an option in the second coming. If we minister pro rature theories ALL the time, then IF BY CHANCE there is no rapture and the horrors of the end days begin, how many Christians will still be believers. How many will be mad at God for what was ASSUMED to happen i.e. The Rapture. What bearing will this have on the believability of Christianity. | ||||||
4 | how credible r we if theres no rapture | Bible general Archive 1 | Hecameforu | 34026 | ||
Greetings Ms. Tish I don't see how anyone that knows about the tribulation would actually actively think that. Who would want to go through it? I don't normally talk about "what if's" and I can't speak for others but... As a Christian, if I had to go through the tribulation then so be it. I know my Jesus is coming back for me, I know that he will never leave me nor forsaek me and there's nothing in the world that can shake my faith or change my mind. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. When interpreting the Bible, one may be off on some points here and there, but it really doesn't matter. The main thing is, Jesus died for our sins, rose again on the 3rd day, is seated at the right hand of the throne of God and is coming back for us. Believe and trust in that. Love in Christ Barry |
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5 | how credible r we if theres no rapture | Bible general Archive 1 | Robert Nicholson | 34035 | ||
Ms. Tish: You make a valid point. We know that the time of the coming of Christ is not known by anyone except the father. When Christians speculate and set dates etc. it does bring dishonor on the testimony of the Gospel. I think we must be careful to stay with the scripture and avoid wishful thinking. Because Christ is raised from the dead and has ascended into heaven, we know that he is coming again. I believe the Bible makes it clear that there is no second chance. When Christ comes those who sleep in him and those that are alive and remain will be changed and caught up to be with him for ever. 1 Cor. 15:51 1 Thess.4:14-18 At this point there will be many left behind who have disobeyed the gospel. Will they have a second chance Never! They will accept the man of sin who will take over this world which for a while will be a peaceful transition. In 2 Thess. 2:11-12 "For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, bu had pleasure in unrighteousness. After Christ comes, God again turns back to Israel nationally and we find that there will be a remanent of Israel saved. In addition,to this people from every tongue, tribe and nation will be saved with them. I believe that these people represent those who have never heard the gospel and as a result never rejected Christ. Peace in his Name Robert |
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