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1 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | retxar | 21630 | ||
You asked; “I asked if you could show me where in the scriptures the Bible defines what water baptism is?” O.K. how about 1Pe 3:21 “and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also--not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ” Peter describes water baptism as a symbol of our salvation. I think I said earlier water baptism was a declaration of our salvation. Notice how Peter is careful to point out that it was not the washing of baptism that saves us, but rather the good conscience toward God for the confidence we can have in the complete work of Jesus that saves us! I think he was careful to make this distinction so people would not mistakenly believe that the water saves. I’m taking a break from this discussion, as I am already blue in the face and I can’t think of anything else to add. I don’t see a lot of use in continuing, only to present questions that are never answered. You state you have done an in depth study on this issue. However, you have failed to answer simple questions on this issue! Salvation BY GRACE THRU FAITH is not that complicated of a think to grasp! That is what The Word plainly teaches. I don’t ask you to do an “in depth study” as you feel I must do to believe in a grace thru faith plus works salvation. Just read Eph 2:8-9 and believe it for what it simply and plainly says! Previous questions I have asked that you did not answer: 1. How could they WHO HAVE RECEIVED the Holy Spirit NOT be saved? (Acts 10:47) 2. How could the Jews have ever questioned water baptism if they thought it was a salvation requirement? (Acts 10:47) 3. Would Paul not have also been called to baptize if baptism was required for salvation? (1Co 1:17) 4. If Mar 16:16 is saying water baptism is required for salvation, then you must also accept ALL the signs spoken of in the next two verses as requirements that must follow ALL believers who are truly saved. Is that your position? 5. How is it possible to turn to Jesus without turning from sin? (Acts 9, in ref to repentance) 6. Heb 6:2 says the doctrine of BAPTISMS not baptism, right? (In ref to more than 1 baptism) 7. Maybe we will never share the same views on baptism, but I am willing to bet the beliefs we share are greater than any potential differences we might have. What’a’ya think? I will look again at your study, but I may or may not respond. In the mean time, if you can come up with any legitimate answers to the above questions, let me know. Question number 7 is the only one I would insist on you answering. Eph 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. In Christ Jesus, retxar |
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2 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 21675 | ||
Hey reetxar, I do believe that we have tons in common in our beliefs. The reason I am so insistant is that the topic we are disscussing is a salvation issue. The questions you asked me are all answered in the study I told you about. As far as 1 Peter 3:21, the Bible says that "this water (the flood waters )symbolize baptism that now saves you also." It's not saying baptism is a symbol, it plainly says the flood waters are the symbol. The flood waters wiped out the sin in the world and saved Noah. Just as baptism wipes out sin and saves you. "Not the removal of dirt, but the pledge of a clear conscience before God". Peter is saying it's not a ritual cleaning like the old law required (he was addressing fellow Jews). It was more than that, it was an act of faith. Col. 3:12 "Having been buried with him in baptim and raised with him through your faith in the power of God who raised him from the dead." Without giving me your explanation of what baptism in water means from the scriptures, one is left to wonder why Jesus commanded it in the great commission. The answer rings out clear from Peter: “Repent and be baptized all of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” The very first sermon given. I think it does take faith to be saved. Why is it so hard to believe God would use the waters of baptism to connect us to the saving blood of our Lord? “Or don’t you know that all of us who are baptized into Christ have been baptized into his death. We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father we too may live a new life.” Rom. 6:1-10 . Is there faith in believing this? When James defines faith (chap.3), he shows us a faith that is an acting faith. So why get in a tizzy when we are commanded to be baptized for the forgiveness of our sins? I haven’t done anything to earn my salvation (works). But as far as going under the waters of baptism with a clear understanding of what it means, I would say that I have obeyed Gods command given by Jesus himself. I hope you do check out that study and approach it with an unbiased heart and much prayer to want to know the the truth. “You will seek me and find me if you seek me with all your heart.” Jer. 29:11 Kin |
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3 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 21681 | ||
Kin, if you are as unyielding as iron that water baptism is essential to salvation, and I am equally as unyielding that it is not, wouldn't it therefore be fair to say that no amount of Scripture you offer as support for your view is likely to sway me to your camp, and that I, using the same method, would have little chance of converting you to my side of the issue? But can we both agree that in the absence of the substitutionary death of Jesus on the cross, neither of us has any hope of salvation, not by the water of baptism or anything else? And can we leave it at that, you being respectful of my point of view and I of yours? On this issue of baptism you may be right or I may be right, but if we both of us believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins, and are in complete agreement on that, then on that key issue we both are right. --Hank | ||||||
4 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 22500 | ||
Hank, I will agree on the issue that Jesus is the way and without him we are lost. And I know that the man that seeks the truth wholeheartedly will find that way (Jer. 29:11). So where ever we disagree on the issue of conversion, my prayer is that through wholehearted seeking we will both enter into Glory together. Kin |
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