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1 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | retxar | 21027 | ||
Hi Kin, I thought this horse died? Let's beat it one more time to make sure! Acts 10:47-48 is YET ANOTHER example of water baptism being a work to follow salvation. To be baptized into the body of Christ is an act of grace thru faith unto salvation, NOT water baptism. How could this example you have given here be more clear that the believers were saved before water baptism??? How could anyone force any other conclusion??? Act 10:47 "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized WHO HAVE RECEIVED (notice past tense) the Holy Spirit just as we have?" How could they WHO HAVE RECEIVED the Holy Spirit NOT be saved??? NO WAY, NO HOW could they NOT be saved! This incident occurred some 8 years after Pentecost. No doubt many Gentiles had received salvation before this time because of what Peter said in Acts 10:35: "But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness IS ACCEPTED (NOT, will be accepted) by Him. The Jewish believers who came with Peter were not surprised at God saving the Gentiles, but that God poured out the Holy Spirit upon the Gentiles in the same manner as He poured out the Holy Spirit on the Jews at Pentecost. It is obvious that no Gentiles had received water baptism before this time, but many had been saved as Peter indicated in verse 9-10. Jesus saves! retxar |
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2 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | kin | 21130 | ||
Rextar, Thank you for your reply. You said yourself that the apostles were surprised the Gentiles received the Spirit just as they did (Acts 11:15). The Spirit came on the apostles in a unique way, only to be replicated with this Gentile conversion. You quote Acts 10:35 to defend the idea that some Gentiles must have been converted after Pentecost and before Acts 10:44. Did you read the passage (Acts 10:34-35) in context? Peter says “I NOW REALIZE how true it is that God does not show favoritism but accept men from every nation who fear him and do what is right.” See Acts 11:1-18; Peter explaining to his Jewish brothers why he went to a Gentiles house, and you will see that the Jews were just accepting the fact that God accepts Gentiles too (Acts 11:18). Point being is that the Spirit was given without baptism only to usher in the Kingdom of God, first to the Jews, then to the Gentiles. My challenge to you is to show me IN THE SCRIPTURES where the Bible says what water baptism is. Also, why did the Lord Jesus command his apostles in the great commission (Matt. 28:18-20) to baptize? Does the Bible command this baptism without any explanation? There is a great study on the forum about this whole subject (page 3, 10-01-01). If you want to seriously study this out, I suggest you dig into the book of Acts and use the study on the forum. I have spent the last month doing so myself , it’s a deep subject that needs time to understand fully. Look forward to hearing from you, Kin |
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3 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | retxar | 21192 | ||
Greetings, Kin First of all Peter did not say “I NOW REALIZE”. He simply said “I REALIZE” (perceive). The “NOW” you quoted in Acts 10:34 does not exist in the NKJV or the KJV and is only in the NASB because it was added (italicized). But it does not matter if these were the very first Gentile believers or not. The point is: (1) Peter and his Jewish friends knew they could be saved. (2) They did not know if they could be baptized or not. (3) The believers were unquestionably saved before they were baptized. I know you have been under some hard teaching on this subject, bro, but don’t read something into the Word that is not there. Balance scripture with scripture. Any place water baptism is included with salvation that seems to say water baptism is required in addition to grace thru faith does not stand up when taken in context and when balanced with other scripture (i.e. Mark 16:16). Water baptism is a declaration of salvation, not a means of salvation. Example: I coach cross-country at a local high school. I coached a young man this year that won the state meet with a state record breaking time. If you asked me about the race, I might tell you that he won the race, set a state record, and receive a trophy declaring him 2001 state champion. If you become a cross-country coach some day and one of your kids comes up to you and ask you what they need to do to be state champion, you might tell them, well this is what retxar said, “win the race, set a state record, and receive a trophy that declares you state champion”. Well, all you are telling this kid is true, and if they did this they would certainly be the state champ. However, if they have nothing else to go on, they could win the race and still not believe they are the state champion unless they also break the state record, and then only when, and if, they get a trophy that says so. In reality tho, they would be state champion the very instant their foot crossed the finish line. The trophy would just be a declaration of that fact. Water baptism has the same relationship to salvation. It is a declaration of our salvation, not a means of salvation. Jesus Saves!!! retxar |
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4 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | Makarios | 21388 | ||
Excellent post, retxar! Your example of the cross country runner to water baptism was simply a work of genius! Amen. Jesus Saves!! - Nolan |
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5 | Unbaptized children | Bible general Archive 1 | retxar | 21390 | ||
Thanks Nolan! God truly gave me this example here, and I praise Him for it! I prayed for God to use the accomplishments He has allowed me to enjoy over all this for His glory. He has certainly been faithful in answering that prayer! After the meet, the boys dad came up to me, thanking me for the work I had done with his son this year. He was gleaming and had the trophy in his hand. Without even thinking, I took it from him, prayed a prayer of thanks over it and gave it back to him. It was a great witness and Holy Spirit lead. He was touched and a seed was planted! Praise the Lord!!! retxar |
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