Results 1 - 18 of 18
|
|
|||||
Results from: Answered Bible Questions, Answers, Unanswered Bible Questions, Notes Ordered by Verse | ||||||
Results | Verse | Author | ID# | |||
1 | Only seal and horse in same verse Rev6:5 | Bible general Archive 1 | casiv | 18217 | ||
Thanks for the answer. However, I believe that every letter and word from the FATHER is of extreme importance! To dismiss this as not important and as a coincidence is a very strong statement towards our FATHER and I would really think about that. May the FATHER be with you! | ||||||
2 | Only seal and horse in same verse Rev6:5 | Bible general Archive 1 | Jensen | 18293 | ||
Please. I am sorry that you misunderstood what I meant. I should have been more clear. Men put the numbers to the verses. Men put numbers to begin what they considered a new chapter. But you must already know that some thoughts are carried over from one chapter to another. Having this number system makes it so much easier for all of us to be on the same page. The numbers of the chapters and/or verses are not the inspired word of the Father. At least I never thought they were. Neither are chapter titles. Nor any notes that are found in some translations. They were all added later. If you think that the Father put these two words in the same sentence, while not doing it in other sentences, to give this verse a special meaning or special importance? If so we may discuss that. Please believe that my intention was not to make a strong statement towards the Father. So are you thinking that the verse/chapter numbers are from the Father? I had not considered that before and I am really not sure of exactly when the numbers were added. But I am pretty certain that they were not part of the original manuscripts or the earliest manuscripts either. Puntuation, as we know it, did not exist at the time. Sorry for any misunderstanding. God Bless. Jensen :) |
||||||
3 | Only seal and horse in same verse Rev6:5 | Bible general Archive 1 | casiv | 18483 | ||
Jensen I appreciate this response and will answer. I do believe many verses and chapters though added later are appropriately placed. This is due to studying the FATHERS letter while applying biblical numerics. Are you familiar with these? An example is that the jews were in the wilderness 40 years after Egypt and the number 40 represents trials, probation, and testings. Jesus was tempted 40 days and you know how long the flood was. Anyway 6 plus 5 is 11 and 11 is judgement and disorder and in the 3rd seal there is disorder if you compare with the other 3 horses. Many will blindly tell you that the horses are good but I do not agree with that because my FATHER is LOVE and does not want us to suffer but allows what I would call the Job syndrome to prove the sincerity of our LOVE for HIM. Your humility is why I answered and is a positive that is hard to find at this time. | ||||||
4 | Only seal and horse in same verse Rev6:5 | Bible general Archive 1 | Jensen | 18529 | ||
May I Learn at your knee :) I have always been a little (lot) concerned with my reading/understanding of that great Book. That is primarily due to being a relativly recent Christian (1996) and have ,to date, concerned myself with other parts of the letter of the FATHER. My particular interest is the first 11 chapters of Genesis. I love creation. I appreciate creation from a scientific point of view. But what you speak of is something that I have been reluctant to study, actually avoiding bible studies on this topic I have a fear of giving some mis-interpretation. Or maybe it is not my time to understand all that HE has for me. But I am intrigued. Intrigued because of my study of Creation. Nothing the FATHER does would surprise me since it is all good :) I would like for you to give me a bit more detail and I would like to have the option of having my questions (remember new-guy) answered by you with the help of what is in the FATHERS letter. God Bless Jensen PS. The "Job syndrome" is what I go through a lot :) |
||||||
5 | Only seal and horse in same verse Rev6:5 | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 18544 | ||
Greetings Jensen! My I offer a little unsolicited advice? Stay away from "biblical numerics." It is definitely not Biblical at all. There is only one verse in all of the Bible that calls our attention to a number (Rev. 13:18), where we are told that the number of the beast is 666. However, no one has a clue as to what that means. Numerics are attempts to force meaning out of number combinations. Sometimes these attempts are benign and humerous. Other times they are simply attempts to read something into Scripture that isn't there. In the present example (Rev. 6:5), the chapters and verses were not even part of the original text. Therefore, any numeric "message" is simply chance. But, even if one assumes that 6 plus 5 equals 11, which equals judgement, so what? The other three horses are also judgements from God, but they are not in Rev. 6:5. Revelation is much misapplied, but not really that hard to understand. The name itself implies something revealed, not something hidden. The important part of Revelation is that God is in control. The meanings of numbers or the exact meaning of signs is not what is significant. It is the message that we can have hope, even in the midst of troubling times, because God, not Satan, is in control. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
||||||
6 | Only seal and horse in same verse Rev6:5 | Bible general Archive 1 | casiv | 18561 | ||
Tim, if Revelation is not hard to understand why is it much misapplied? The name is not something revealed it is the Revelation of Jesus Christ. To reveal means to unveil so it is the unveiling of Jesus Christ in simpler terms. As for the number of the beast how many books are in the christian bible? 66. So where is the last 6? You have to search the Strongs concordance and translate the scripture into the original language of greek but you have to do it yourself, nothing worthwhile ever comes easy including understanding. Try to find it if you can. It is there but not where it should be because man in all his craftiness has hidden it from you. Do you read back to the original manuscripts using the strongs concordance? As for the four horses they are not judgements they are the four hidden dynasties through which the evil ones come into power, and how they cover the four corners of the earth. Have you read Job? Satan is allowed to test Job to the extreme and Job stands with his gospel armour on withstanding all the fiery darts thrown at him. Jesus told satan that man does not live on bread alone but EVERY word from the FATHER, this includes the numbers, symbols, and every last dot in the FATHERS letter to His children from Genesis to Revelation before the cross and after the cross its all important and very significant. Love Faith Hope and the letter is all we have, how well do you know it? The FATHER allows all that is done under the sun , every single thing no matter how large or small and yes even satan is allowed to think he is something more than a created being. Put on your armour! | ||||||
7 | Only seal and horse in same verse Rev6:5 | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 18580 | ||
Greetings Casiv! I think that the reason Revelation is misapplied so much is because everyone tries to out do everyone else with wild schemes. Rev. 6 is a good example of how we make Revelation harder than it need be. Whether or not the riders are kingdoms or judgements really makes no difference. The point is that there will be a time of extreme difficulty, but God is in control even of that time. That is the simple message of Revelation. Concerning the number of the beast, I really didn't understand your point! There are 66 books in the Bible, so where is the last 6? What does that mean? I'm not trying to be rude, I just didn't follow you there. Do I use Strong's concordance? Very seldom, since I read Greek. Usually I do my own translations from the Greek text. I agree with you that every WORD from God is important, but numerics is not from God. It is simply a scheme invented by men to force God's word to say something that it never said. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
||||||
8 | Only seal and horse in same verse Rev6:5 | Bible general Archive 1 | casiv | 18703 | ||
REV 13:18 Here is wisdom, Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. KJV 1611 Tim, its great that you read greek however you may want to take a look at the strongs for confirmation. In the verse above it says we are to count the number of the beast. Look up the word count in greek for understanding. We have 66 books in the bible worn smooth over a period of time about the Messiah, before the cross and after the cross "it is the number of a man" the last six can be understood in the strongs concordance but you have to search because it has been hidden by men who don't want you to know. How can you say that numerics are not from God? Numbers are within the text everywhere. Do you read the Bible? Why do you think they are there? Jesus was only worth 30 pieces of silver a slaves wages is what our FATHER was worth to them, this number is not from God? Didn't God write the Bible through man? How about 10 commandments, 7 churches, 7 seals, 7 trumps, 7 bowls, tempted 40 days in the wilderness, 40 days and 40 nights of rain in the flood, 24 elders and 4 beasts around the throne, 3 gates on each side of the temple of Solomon, 12 disciples, 1 day with God is 1000 years to man, Noah's ark was 300 cubits by 50 cubits by 30 cubits, Seth lived 912 years, and you say numerics are not from God yet every WORD from God is important, isn't that the definition of being hypocritical. I don't want to be this tough but when I read things like I have just read I have no choice. |
||||||
9 | Only seal and horse in same verse Rev6:5 | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 18709 | ||
Greetings Casiv! Why are numbers in the Bible? Simple, they are there to describe how many of something there were! How many pieces of silver did Judas betray Christ for? 30! Is there any special significance to the number 30 (other than the prophecy in Zech.)? Not really! Numbers in the text are important, but they are important for what they describe, not for fantastic interpretations that we try to put on them. You mentioned Noah's ark. I've heard people who believe in numerics say things like: 30 divided by 10 is 3. 3 times 50 is 150. 150 is half of 300, so God only saved half of the number that could have been saved. This is the kind of nonsense I am refering to when I talk about numerics. Concerning the 666, could you please explain what you mean about "the last 6". I don't have a clue what you are refering to! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
||||||
10 | Only seal and horse in same verse Rev6:5 | Bible general Archive 1 | casiv | 18718 | ||
Tim, you expect to understand without working for it? Have you looked in the strongs? If yes, what did you find? Then perhaps I will admonish you as it is written. Regarding the numbers I'll refer to Paul because he is a good teacher and revealed alot of mysteries as follows: 2 Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtility, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 2 Cor 10:7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's. And Timothy says: 1 Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and the doctrines of devils; |
||||||
11 | Only seal and horse in same verse Rev6:5 | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 18723 | ||
Greetings Casiv! Okay, I checked the last 6 in Strong's concordance. The last 6 is the Greek w'hex'. Don't tell me you think there is a connection between the Greek word 'hex' and the English word 'hex'. If I am off base here let me know, but there is no connection between the two words. The English word 'hex' comes from the German word 'hexe', which means witch. So, what does the last 6 mean? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
||||||
12 | Only seal and horse in same verse Rev6:5 | Bible general Archive 1 | casiv | 18738 | ||
Alright! Glad you looked! Now look in the strongs in the greek number 5516 and see where men have hidden it from us. It is "chi xi stigma" in the greek which is 666. Then follow the number listed to understand further. Happy searching! |
||||||
13 | Only seal and horse in same verse Rev6:5 | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 18742 | ||
Greetings Casiv! # 5516 is the TR's abreviated form of 'hexakosioi hexekonta hex' which is found in the Greek manuscripts. Both mean 666, so I still don't see what special significance you are attaching to this. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
||||||
14 | Only seal and horse in same verse Rev6:5 | Bible general Archive 1 | casiv | 18745 | ||
Which Strongs Concordance do you have? Is it by James Strong? I have the old one" the one that doesn't say new". What is TR's? 5516 chi xi stigma, the 22nd, 14th,and an obsolete letter(4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet(intermediate between the 5th and 6th) used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60, and 6; 666 as a numeral: six hundred threescore and six That is what my strongs says. It means in the days of the crucifixion the symbol of the number 6 was the cross and hence the symbol representing the number 6 in greek has been changed. Now you know what the last 6 is. Greek 4742 stigma, to stick, i.e. prick); a mark incised or punched(for recognition of ownership) i.e.(fig.) scar of service: mark. Now you have the mark of the beast. |
||||||
15 | Only seal and horse in same verse Rev6:5 | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 18750 | ||
Greetings Casiv! The TR is the Textus Receptus, one of the first attempts at putting together a critical Greek text. The actual Greek texts all spell out the full words for '600 60 6', though some texts have '600 10 6' instead. The TR simply shortened it to the letters instead of the full words. The only problem with your theory is that the stigma looked like an upside down 5, not a cross. If you would like to see it, go to http://www.parthia.com/font_stigma.htm. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
||||||
16 | Only seal and horse in same verse Rev6:5 | Bible general Archive 1 | casiv | 18753 | ||
Tim, That is what it was changed to. That is what it shows in my strongs. It has been made to be obsolete. What denomination are you? I'm curious. |
||||||
17 | Only seal and horse in same verse Rev6:5 | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 18760 | ||
Greetings Casiv! Which was changed? The TR changed the full words to the letters only. The shape of stigma was not changed. I belong to the United Brethren in Christ. It is a small denomination. It is close in theology (though more conservative) to the United Methodist. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
||||||
18 | Only seal and horse in same verse Rev6:5 | Bible general Archive 1 | casiv | 18769 | ||
The Greek symbol for the number 6 changed from a cross like symbol to the upside down looking 5 after Jesus was put to the cross. The symbol became obsolete as it states in the Strongs Concordance. | ||||||