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1 | What does baptism consist? | 1 John 5:6 | Morant61 | 23330 | ||
Greetings Charis and Tim! May I butt in here? I don't think that the message of James is Faith plus Works equals Salvation. Rather, I think his message is Faith Works! James is not writing that his listeners need to DO something else to be saved. He is writing that they need to DO something because they have Faith. Faith that doesn't work is dead. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | What does baptism consist? | 1 John 5:6 | charis | 23332 | ||
Dear Tim, (IN) Blessings in Jesus' name! Not once did I say, or have I ever said that faith plus works equals salvation. Honestly, that is incindiary and a bit unfair to me, and misrepresents what I said very clearly in my post. (crying 'foul' and rolling on the pitch :-)) I agree with you that this is not what James is speaking to us. But, at the same time, "faith works' does not mean very much to me. At least, not as much as what is clearly written, "faith without works is dead." I any case, I do not see that there is any difference in what you are trying to say, and what I tried to say, except maybe trivial semantics. So, in my (sometimes) humble opinion, we agree! :-) I am not sure, though, if YOU think we agree. (?) To clarify this point, do you believe we are 'perfected' at the moment of confession of/ apprehension by Jesus? Though this is a quaint theory, I have yet to see *observable* evidence of this assertion. Instead, I see abundant evidence that we 'grow in Christ.' (Ephesians 4:15, 2 Peter 3:18) Please carefully note that I truly and completely believe that the only 'minimum requirement' of salvation is faith toward God. Peace and love to you, my friend. In Christ Jesus, charis |
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3 | What does baptism consist? | 1 John 5:6 | Morant61 | 23349 | ||
Greetings Charis! Whoops! Sorry! Pitch high and inside! It slipped! I really wasn't trying to imply that you did think that works were necessary for salvation! :-) I almost did when I first read your statement, but then I looked at the commas a little more closely. I was simply trying to add some further comments to your post and affirm that James isn't speaking about faith being necessary for salvation. This seems to be a point that a lot of people are unclear on. Rather, he is speaking about those who claim to have faith, but do nothing. These people have no evidence to back up their claim bcause faith works. Which is exactly the sequence of the Eph. 2 passage. We are saved by grace, through faith, not of works. But, in v. 10, we are created for good works. Do I believe that I was perfected when I confessed Christ? I hope not, I really was hoping I would improve with age! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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