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1 | God's eternal purpose | Deut 32:4 | pukalanian | 174611 | ||
Do you think it was God's eternal purpose for Adam and Eve to sin? If so, why do you think so? | ||||||
2 | God's eternal purpose | Deut 32:4 | MJH | 174624 | ||
I agree with Doc, but thought it might interest you to know that in the day of Jesus and before, many commentaries on the Bible were written or shared orally. It was believed by those that before creations began, or before the beginning, 7 things existed. "Seven things were contemplated (By the Holy One, Blessed be He) before creation: Torah. Repentance, the Garden of Eden and Gehinnom, the Throne of Glory, the Holy Temple and the Messiah's identity." (BT Pesachim 51:A) This illustrates that the idea of the Torah existed before time, and was one of the central objectives behind the creation. Before man was created God knew that "the impulse of man's heart is evil from his youth," (Gen. 7:21) and that he was destined to sin and stumble. This is an integral part of human nature. Accordingly, before anything existed the Torah was prepared to guide him along his path through life. In similar fashion, the Torah's counterpart, the concept of repentance, was also prepared in advance of man, so that one who transgresses the will of his Creator has a path to return to Him. This too was forged into the very foundation of the world to provide man with a remedy for sin.” www.templemount.org/tempprep.html The “Seven things contemplated” idea predates Jesus. It seems that these Godly men also believed that the divine purpose was that man would fall and need redemption. Not a definitive answer to your questions, but interesting to get another point of view on the subject. MJH |
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3 | God's eternal purpose | Deut 32:4 | mark d seyler | 174633 | ||
Are we saying then that the only way for God to achieve His eternal purpose was through Adam's sin? That unless someone sinned, God's purpose could not be accomplished? Or, are we saying that of all the various ways God could have acheived His eternal purpose, He chose a method that necessitated Adam to sin, again saying that God's purpose required sin, but that it could have been different? Or should we rather say that God's purpose was to have a people holy and blameless, without the hint of sin, and so that is what He made, and that when Adam fell, He initiated and provided a way for man to be made holy and blameless, which was what He wanted all along? Just something to think about. . . Love in Christ, Mark |
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4 | God's eternal purpose | Deut 32:4 | Hank | 174635 | ||
Hi, Mark -- Might we also legitimately ask, "Was Adam's sin of disobedience pleasing to God, since, as one reasonably could infer from some theological systems, it was in accord with God's eternal purpose? Or should we be content to resign ourselves to the incontrovertible reality that there are divine mysteries which remain mysteries, which take the finite mind of man swiftly to the end of its tether? Is it stretching the point to say that some of God's mysteries -- we don't know just what all the mysteries are, or how many there may be -- are not revealed to man this side of eternity? And, for all we know, they may ever remain myseries to us, even beyond the grave. In short, is it reasonable to conclude that man tends to speculate far beyond what is clearly revealed in Scripture? At what point does one cross over the line from searching with humble heart that which is clearly revealed in God's word to presuming to understand that which is not? Something ELSE to think about, no? Blessings. --Hank | ||||||
5 | God's eternal purpose | Deut 32:4 | mark d seyler | 174640 | ||
Hi Hank, No, I don't think that's stretching the point at all! It troubles me that some presume things that fly in the face of clearly written Scripture. I suspect that some topics fiercely debated in this age will be unmentioned in the next. I think we do much better to stick with what is clearly and plainly stated, such as that sin is what is contrary to God. We should simply avoid it. If we do that, we do well. Love in Christ, Mark |
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