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1 | Were there flaws built in Adam and Eve? | Deut 32:4 | DocTrinsograce | 174530 | ||
Dear Pukalanian, I think your answer is rooted in your phrase "it seems to me." Furthermore, I do not recall that God declared them perfect, but rather He declared His work of creation good -- and we could talk a lot about what perfect and good might mean in this context. Be that as it may... We know that Eve was disceived into the sin and we know that Adam freely chose the sin. Therefore we must conclude that God created them with these specific characteristics fully according to His eternal purpose. In Him, Doc |
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2 | God's eternal purpose | Deut 32:4 | pukalanian | 174611 | ||
Do you think it was God's eternal purpose for Adam and Eve to sin? If so, why do you think so? | ||||||
3 | God's eternal purpose | Deut 32:4 | DocTrinsograce | 174615 | ||
Dear pukalanian, You asked, "Do you think it was God's eternal purpose for Adam and Eve to sin?" I am Reformed in my theology. Consequently, my answer will reflect that fact. So a simple answer to your question would be "Yes," but I wouldn't leave it there without qualification. The old divines summarized in this way, "It pleased God in His eternal purpose, to choose and ordain the Lord Jesus, His only-begotten Son, to be the Mediator between God and man, the Prophet, Priest, and King, the Head and Savior of His Church, the heir of all things, and Judge of the world: unto whom He did from all eternity give a people, to be His seed, and to be by Him in time redeemed, called, justified, sanctified, and glorified. (Eph. 3:11; 1 Pet. 1:20; 1 Tim. 2:5; Acts 3:22; Heb. 5:5-6; Luke 1:33; Eph. 5:23; Heb. 1:2; Acts 17:31; Isa. 53:10; John 17:6; 1 Cor. 1:30; Rom. 8:29-30.)" I believe God's eternal purpose is rooted in His design before creation and before any other decree (see the teleological scheme as described in post #150811). I do not believe, as someone once said, that "the gospel is God's plan B." If you have further interest in Reformed theology on this topic, I suggest you search the web with the keywords "theodicy" and "secondary causes." Thank you for your interest in my personal position on this question. In Him, Doc |
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4 | God's eternal purpose? | Deut 32:4 | pukalanian | 174638 | ||
The bible says that God planned everything from before time began, but how can it be reconciled that a loving, just and merciful creator embark upon such a horrible plan to one day have to destroy many of the people He created? | ||||||
5 | God's eternal purpose? | Deut 32:4 | mark d seyler | 174643 | ||
Hi Pukalanian, The Bible says God wants everyone to be saved, so if someone rejects God, it's not because God wanted them to. 1 Timothy 2:3-4 (3) For this is good and acceptable before God our Savior, (4) who desires all men to be saved and to come to a full knowledge of truth. God provided a way for all men to be saved from their sins. John 3:14-17 (14) And even as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, (15) that everyone believing into Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (16) For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that everyone believing into Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (17) For God did not send His Son into the world that He might judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. Would we say that the Lord of Heaven isn't fair? Ezekiel 18:29-32 (29) But the house of Israel says, The way of the Lord is not fair. Are My ways not fair, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not fair? (30) I will judge you, each man by his ways, O house of Israel, declares the Lord Jehovah. Turn and be made to turn from all your transgressions, and iniquity shall not be a stumbling-block to you. (31) Cast away all your transgressions from you by which you have transgressed in them, and make for yourselves a new heart and a new spirit; for why will you die, O house of Israel? (32) For I do not have delight in the death of him who dies, declares the Lord Jehovah. So turn and live. God does not want any of us to die in our sins. But He will judge us by them if we steadfastly refuse His salvation. Love in Christ, Mark |
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6 | A Horrible plan to burn for eternity | Deut 32:4 | pukalanian | 174648 | ||
Dear Mark, You say that God wants everyone to be saved, so if someone rejects God, it's not because God wanted them to. That goes in direct oposition to what I read in Job 14:5, "Since his days are determined, the number of months is with You; You have apointed his limits, so that he cannot pass." In Psalm 139:16, "Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they were all written, the days fashioned for me, when as yet there were none of them." And in 1 Peter 2:8, it is clear that those who stumble because they disobey also were destined to do it. From the foundation of the world, the book of life was written before time began and those whose names where not written in the book of life were cast into the lake of fire is revealed in Rev 17:8 and 20:15. This is as clear as it can get. God has declared, "The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord," Psalm 37:23. "just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world," Eph 1:4. How can you say that God wants everyone to be saved when you know that is not how He planned it. If God did give everyone a choice as you say, why do you think He created some with the skill and intelligence to choose the right path, while not giving those abilities to others? This is not a case of which came first, the chicken or the egg. God created the chicken and He created the egg. God created all peoples giving each and everyone their own level of understanding to make right or wrong choices. It dosen't make sense that a loving, just and merciful creator would create human beings just so that one day He could burn trillions of them in the lake of fire for the rest of eternity. By the way, what kind of justice is eternal punishment? What happened to the devine concept of "an eye for an eye?" Thank you in helping me find the truth. Pukalanian |
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7 | A Horrible plan to burn for eternity | Deut 32:4 | TL56 | 174650 | ||
The Bible does not teach that we are predestined to one fate or the other this goes against God giving man free will to chose his destiny. Ephesians 1:4 does not teach individual election but rather class election. The key phrase in the Ephesian verse is "in Him." It was not the case that God chose certain individuals to be either saved or lost; rather, the Lord foreordained that a certain class of persons would be saved. What sort of class? Those who submit to heaven's divine plan of redemption, which in this dispensation, involves obeying Jesus the Christ (Hebrews 5:8,9), and entering into that relationship that is described as being "in Him" (cf. Galatians 3:26,27). | ||||||