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1 | SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH | 2 Tim 2:25 | DocTrinsograce | 155959 | ||
Dear Bows, I am rather surprised to see you use 1 Kings 8:11 to support "slain in the spirit." I do not find a single commentator who makes this connection. Certainly what is described is not anything like what is alleged to occur in practices like those seen on TBN. For one think, the Shekinah glory is not in a specific location any longer. Instead, He resides in the hearts of believers. One might use John 18:6 to describe something like the description of "slain in the spirit," which is the passage I thought you'd use. However, that certainly didn't include slapping someone on the forehead. Furthermore, all those who were effected hated our Lord Jesus and were seeking to do Him harm. Bows, we appreciate that many of your beliefs are experiential. You are certainly welcome to base your beliefs on whatever you choose. However, as we have repeatedly affirmed, this forum is about Bible Study, not Experience Study. We deem the Bible to be the sole source of authority, the "supreme judge, by which all controversies of religion are to be determined, and all decrees of councils, opinions of ancient writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits [experiences], are to be examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest, can be no other but the Holy Scripture delivered by the Spirit, into which Scripture so delivered, our faith is finally resolved." Furthermore, we do not walk by sight [experiences] but by faith (2 Corinthians 5:7), and we live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God (Matthew 4:4). "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine [what is right for us], for reproof [what is wrong with us], for correction [how to make it right], for instruction in righteousness [how to keep it right]." (2 Timothy 3:16) The Scriptures is what this forum is about. Truly, no one wishes to denigrate your experiences per se. No one believes that the Christian faith is entirely un-experiential. We just question the pertinence, value, and origin of experiences in the context rightly dividing the Word. The Word is true, no matter what anyone experiences! In Him, Doc |
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2 | SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH | 2 Tim 2:25 | lionheart | 155965 | ||
Hey Doc, Greetings my brother.I thought I'd share a few things here as I've spent the last hour or so going over some of the same things with a close friend. This is an issue that can be very emotionally charged.I will not deny ones experience,however we gotta make sure that what we experience,what we are seeing falls within confines of Gods Word. We have a habit of focusing on one thing and we wind up getting spanked. Heb 3:13, 5:12-14 God wants us strong,He wants us mature. We have to be willing when we see something in our daily lives that may or may not fall into the paremeters of The Word to do what ever it takes to be in line with Gods Word.If that means we gotta change our beleiving to get in line with Gods Word then so be it. Love ya brother, lionheart. |
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3 | SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH | 2 Tim 2:25 | DocTrinsograce | 155968 | ||
Hi, Brother Lionheart... You're right! Indeed, one might proclaim, quite correctly, that unless our Christianity is experiential, it is not valid! (cf Matthew 7:22-27; John 17:3, 1 Corinthians 1:30; 2:2) We must carefully define, however, what we mean by experiential. Looking carefully at the definition of the term, we see that it has its roots in a Latin word, "experimentum," which comes from a verb meaning to "try, test, prove, or put to the test". The same root verb can also mean "to find or know by experience", giving rise to the word "experientia", meaning "trial, experiment, and/or the knowledge gained by experiment." John Calvin, for example, used experiential and experimental interchangeably. From the standpoint of Biblical preaching, both words indicate the need to examine or test experienced knowledge by the standard of Scripture (Isaiah 8:20). Yet, we can firmly assert, that the Holy Spirit causes the objective truths about Christ and His work to be experienced in the heart of sinners (i.e., His elect). (cf Romans 5:1-11) The problem arises when we use experience to validate Scripture -- or anything else! What we are saying, then, would be that experience has greater authority! The Word is true because it is the Word! Period! To try to persuade anyone of truth based on experience is repudiating the veracity of God! In Jewish tradition, when men wanted to affirm the verity of a truth that they just heard spoken they would say, "Amen, amen!" Christ, not needing the affirmation of men, stated "Amen, amen, I say to you" before He even asserted the truth! The Word of God is our plumb-line, our standard, our judge, our guide, and our teacher. It is both sufficient and necessary for leading lives pleasing to our Lord. "He Lives! He Lives! You ask me how I know He lives; He lives within my heart." is a great song, but it is lousy theology. :-) Thank you, brother Lionheart, for your comments. In Him, Doc |
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