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1 | cannot eat pork,seafood? | 1 Tim 4:3 | EdB | 85428 | ||
Mathew First we have no idea what Noah and the rest of the ark ate. Evidently Noah had stockpiled food whether it was grain, cut and dried meat or the extra animals for freshly killed meat we do not know. However this we do know God told Noah to put on the ark 2 of each kind and of the clean God told Noah to bring more aboard. We assume it was for food. We also presume to know what was clean and what was unclean. However assumptions can be very wrong and can/should not be used to prove this point. As I said before Noah may very well have had a separate food storage and the extra animals were there only or sacrifice or to give that breed better or accelerated reproductive power. Besides we have no idea what was considered clean and unclean at this time. There are too many unknowns and we really can’t prove anything here. So let’s not dwell here any longer. Isaiah 66:17 is a Jewish prophet and is using hyperbole, God is talking about people that are purifying themselves to worship idols. He is contrasting two things the purification rite which to the Jew was very holy and swine which again to the Jews was very unholy. God through Isaiah makes this comparison to show how people will convolute things. God through Isaiah is saying in the “last days” people will have things backwards. We see this today, the cross once representing Christianity has become something that shows your “out” there, men and women set apart to serve God are committing all kinds of despicable acts, Christians having higher divorce rates than the general public. Abortion once was viewed as murder now it is viewed a woman’s choice. Human life was precious now baby whales are more important. The list goes on. To use this verse to establish dietary laws is forcing the issue. Remember while the Jew were forbidden to eat swine by God, God never told the rest of creation not to eat swine. Peter and John's reference to unclean is in the perspective of a Jew. Unclean to them was a known class of animals given to them in the Levitical Laws and was used for simplicity rather than naming each type of creature . However Levitical Laws were given to the Israel not everyone. If you were born a Jew or wanted to become a Jew you would be expected to live by those standards even today. However as Christians we are not to try to follow the laws that separated the children of Israel from the rest of the world, we are to follow the New Covenant. In the New Covenant 1 Tim. 4:3-5 says all of creation is now to be considered clean. Once again I remind you of Romans 14:14, "I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean." I say to you if you think it is unclean then to you it is, however going back to 1 Tim 4:3-5 don’t let someone impose their standard on you and don’t you try to impose your standard on anyone. Let’s not get things backwards ourselves, what we eat has very little importance, what is really important is our salvation and how we live Jesus before the rest of the world. Be blessed my friend EdB |
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2 | cannot eat pork,seafood? | 1 Tim 4:3 | Mathew | 85434 | ||
EdB, Nice to hear from you again. Let me start out by saying that I do understand that the kingdom of God is not meat and drink. Eating standards are not the issue with me. Im not affended but what others eat at all. I'm simply trying to figure out why there seems to be a double standard. For instance you said that Isaiah 66:17 is a Jewish prophet and is using "hyperbole", God is talking about people that are purifying themselves to "worship idols". In other words I shouldn't take this text literraly. For instance you bring up Romans 14:14. consider that in verse 2 of this chapter Paul says the weak ones are eating only "vegetables". If this problem concerned the unclean-meat regulations of Leviticus 11, there would have been plenty of clean meats that could have been had in a city the size of Rome. Additionally, in verse 17 "drink" is mentioned and in verse 21 wine. So the problems at hand did not have to do with just food and eating, but with wine and drinking. But there were no general regulations concerning wine or drinking in the "Torah". On this point, then, the weak members' concerns could not have stemmed from Old Testament unclean-meat regulations or common Jewish customs. The possibility that the subject here is conscience problems in eating "foods offered to idols" is the only clear interpretation. If the problem in Rome were "food offered to idols", then vegetarianism would not have been an inappropriate response, for all the meat available would have been "tainted," which only vegetarianism could have fully resolved for the conscience-stricken. Also, in Rome wine was offered to the gods just as meat was, which makes this the only possibility that really fits verses 17 and 21. We know conscience concerns regarding foods offered to idols was by no means a remote possibility, for Paul had to deal with this same matter in another gentile city (1 Corinthians 8). So it is far from certain that the food concern stemmed from Jewish scruples regarding the eating of unclean animals. For all we know, it may not have involved Jewish scruples about anything; it could well have been a gentile conscience issue of meat and wine offered to idols that Roman gentiles, as their Corinthian brethren, may have felt. But yet christians will use this verse of Romans 14:14 to say that Paul was calling the unclean clean. Rather I say he was talking concerning foods offered to idols. Why the double standard? A new friend in Christ, Matt |
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3 | cannot eat pork,seafood? | 1 Tim 4:3 | EdB | 85442 | ||
Mathew The verse in Isaiah can be taken literally about how people will convolute holiness not literally to establish dietary prohibitions. As for your argument about Romans the lesson there is not what is clean or unclean but allowing our conscience and leading the Holy Spirit to lead us not what others say. I brought it up to you in hopes it would give you liberty from what others have taught you. Let’s go back to Leviticus 11:7 “ and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you.” Who is God speaking to? The Jew, God said I do not want you the children of Israel to eat swine to YOU it is unclean. Are you Jewish? If not then it isn’t unclean to you. Once more the Old Covenant was a covenant made between God and the Children of Israel (the Jews) other people served God and didn’t live under those restrictions. Under the Old Covenant swine was unclean under the new it is not. Why? I have no idea, possibly to show us how much more powerful the New Covenant is. Jesus being the basis and guarantor of New Covenant even sanctifies the food which we eat therefore setting us free from yet another restriction. Now you can push I Tim 4:3-5 all over the road, but the fact remains that here God is clearly plainly stating all that He has created is clean and can be eating for food if received with thanksgiving asking God’s bless upon it. I think we have examined this subject about as much as we can. If you feel by God telling the Jew not to eat pork and then okaying the eating of pork in the New Testament God is changing. I think it because your reading more in what God said about pork that what He said. God made it a prohibition to the Jew, not to the world, to set the Jew apart from the world. Gentiles still ate pork. In the New Testament that included Gentiles, God did not set down any dietary prohibitions. The council of Jerusalem realize this in Acts 15 and they again did not set down any. I think many see pork as inferior to other meats and therefore read into God prohibition things God simply did not say. Many say we shouldn’t eat pork because hogs eat garbage, pigs eat what is given them to exist on. If you give them sweet corn they will eat it. A cow if only given garbage will eat that. In fact the problem with mad cow disease was because in England they feed cattle sick cows that had died. To me from being around hogs, cows and chickens I find chickens far dirtier than any pig ever hoped to be. Chickens will eat anything even when they are not hungry and will eat another chicken while it is still alive. Be Blessed my friend EdB |
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