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1 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | azurelaw | 208179 | ||
Dear Steve, My thoughts? Hope it maybe sharpened and blessed through this dicussion :-) I think you might have noticed that my preceding posts on the thread rejected the idea that Eve lied. But "misquoted" (as you say) could happen and this, when based on the scripture written, I agree it my assumption. For I see from the flow of the scripture Gen 2:15-22, it seems to me much of Eve's knowledge (including God's command to Adam) is second-handed (i.e. through Adam), except that she knows God in the first place in person (Gen 2:22). So, am I reasonable to think that Eve's knowledge is to a certain extent inferior to Adam's? She is made as a helper to Adam, who needs to teach her everything for his fulfilling the duty given in Gen 2:15. Since: scripture does not say God gave the command to Eve again directly, it is very likely that she got it second-handed. The way she expressed the command differently does not render that she lied as I have pointed out earlier in my post 208127. For the phrase "God has said" (Gen 3:3), Eve was responding to the serpent's tricky question "Indeed, has God said..." (Gen 3:1). Since she knows there is a sovereign God at the first place, she "could probably" know about the command second-handed and scripture does not record a direct command to her, I still don't feel it strong enough to consider God gave her the command directly but just Eve was responding to the serpent in a misleading way innocently. Did I make myself clear or am I just muddying the water? I have to admit that the above looks pretty much on speculation. However, scriptures seem to leave so much blank there that I am tempted to use my fallibel logic for the course. I am open to correction :-) Shalom Azure P.S. My use of 1 Tim 2:11-14 is in concern of Eve's less submissiveness as demonstrated in her expressing the command her own way (my post 208127) thus causing her fall into transgression. |
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2 | Adam and Eve Perfect or Flawed | 1 Tim 2:11 | humbledbyhisgrace | 208195 | ||
Azure, Yes you have been clear sister! And I'm working this out myself, not trying to correct :-) What I am trying to do is view this without any speculation and making no assumptions. That's why I'm hung up on the words in 3:3 God has said. One of the problems I have had in the past in trying to understand some of Genesis 1, 2 and 3 is that as you say, there is a lot of blanks so to speak. I can't help but wonder how many of those so called blanks are our own doing though because we end up making assumptions :-) Anyway, it seems to me given what we have before us that it is possible that either God told Eve or Adam told Eve. Problem is, we have no text to back up either in the way of a direct statement from them. Yet we do have text that clearly reveals Eve was told and the text says, God has said. So if we eliminate all assumptions and keep with the text, this is what we have :-) Now, what does that mean???????? Does that mean God told her directly or Adam told her directly? I don't think we can answer that from the text. And it seems to me, anything else is speculation on what she said. I really don't think, at least in my understanding, that we can attribute anything here to Eve's knowledge being inferior. I can however confirm my knowledge is inferior :-) By the way, I'm probably the one muddying the water :-) Steve |
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