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1 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | humbledbyhisgrace | 207934 | ||
Dear Cheri, Did you actually read the post you referenced by bowler? Do you really qualify this as a “marvelous” job? I am amazed not only at his post but at your acceptance of his teaching. Perhaps it is good you see no need to parrot him. Correcting is what is needed! He wrongly interprets the scripture and even has gone so far to say our Lord actually broke the law which scripture clearly teaches us He is sinless. This is unbelievable coming from some of those I see accepting of these teachings including you! There is so much wrong with what he has said it’s hard to even know where to start! But I will attempt to point out what I see as the fallacy in his understanding simply by pointing to his wrong interpretation of the scripture he is hanging his hat on. He pointed to Luke 14:5. And from this verse he develops his argument that even the Lord Himself would break one law for the better good. Unfortunately, bowler should allow scripture to interpret scripture. Matthew 12:11-12 (NASB) 11 And He said to them, "What man is there among you who has a sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will he not take hold of it and lift it out? 12 "How much more valuable then is a man than a sheep! So then, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath." Note the Lord says in verse 12, it is LAWFUL to do good on the Sabbath. bowler on the other hand presents it as the breaking of the law which in fact is the same thing those who set out to trap the Lord was doing. bowler even goes so far to say that “Jesus said to them, "which one of you would not break the law to save the life of his live stock if it fell down the well?" Well, where in scripture does it say that? bowler explains it as the Lord breaking one law for the better good. Problem with bowlers interpretation is it contradicts the scripture. The Lord did not break one law for what bowler believes to be the better good. Nor did the Lord ask "which one of you would not break the law to save the life of his live stock if it fell down the well?" as bowler said He did. The scripture teaches us He is without sin! According to the scripture, He did not break the law at all for He said (not bowler, but the Lord Himself said) it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath! See, there is no law against doing good! As a matter of fact, doing good is a manifestation of the fruit of the Spirit! So what you attribute as a “marvelous” job, actually wrongly interprets scripture, accuses our Lord Jesus as breaking the law, and promotes to others it is better to sin then to obey. At this point I am dumbfounded by his teaching and your acceptance of such. Steve |
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2 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | bowler | 207970 | ||
Steve No, Steve I said that Jesus pointed out that the Pharisees would break a law to save a life, not that Jesus would or did! By the way I am not as Cheri pointed out so nicely teaching anything, I am setting forth a view without pushing it on anyone of how to resolve a Biblical difficulty to a life problem, which is not teaching at all, it is studying. I do believe you are hitting around to the point here Steve, you say here in your post what Jesus was demonstrating was that doing right on the Sabbath is not actually breaking the law, although on a technicality it most certainly is. That is why I was so wrongly adding to all my posts, according to you, just a worthless son, to make it known that I do not have all the answers because someone who will remain nameless accused me of thinking I had all the answers. A while badk Tumbleweed tried to point that out to you. It still seems to be a problem for some when anyone in here sets forth what they believe to be true using scripture to support it. Just because a person sets forth reasons and scriptures why they think something is true does not make them a teacher or mean they are trying to teach. Doc is a bona fide teacher, and there are pastors in here too, as well as us lay folk. We are all entitled to our own view based on scriputure of what things are. I happily agree to disagree with you without saying to you that you wrongly interpet anything. You however, continue to feel free to express yourself concerning your true take on what I post because that is your right. I tried to say before and will say again, the problem with saying God does not allow sin in His plan is that there is such a thing as Secondary Causes of Causes, which concept Doc laid out in detail. Might I suggest you use the search feature to try to understand how God does not condone sin, but does allow it as part of His plan. I did not come up with all of this on my own, and as well there are others here who agree with me about this because they searched the scriptures and not because "I taught them anything". On a technicality lying is always wrong, but when it is done to save a life it is no longer wrong, but right in the same way "breaking the Sabbath law" to save a life is no longer wrong, but right. :-) blessings abound, bowler |
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