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1 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | walkforchirst | 207895 | ||
is it ok to lie i told a guy at work that you can tell a lie if your motives are right and if its out of the purness of love but God knows if u tell a lie like Abraham that his wife was his sister or like king David when he and the people with him ate the shew bread someone please shed some light on this because i think ive got the right spirit | ||||||
2 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | bowler | 207896 | ||
walkforchrist Revelation 21:8 "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." We should not lie. I have heard arguments about this like; Rahab the Harlot lied and it was suppossedly accounted to her for righteousness. I dunno, her hiding the spies in peace was counted as righteous, but the Bible does not say the lying was. I have heard the ridiculous argument that Exodus 20:16 only refers to that you should not lie against your neighbor, but that it is okay to lie if you think it would make things better. Consider this problem though; in Natzi Germany if some of those Germans had not lied about hiding some of those Jews that would not have been a good thing. So if we say that it is right when it protects a life, what are we to think really? If someone wips out a gun and says they are looking for so and so, and you don't lie to protect them is that good? The problem with thinking it is all right because you want to save a life is the Bible is clear that lying is out. But some say, choose the lesser evil, being trouble with God for lying to save a life, over telling the truth and being partially repsonsible for their death. Then there are sins of ommission, where we lie by leaving part out and think it isn't lying for real. If it was me, just speaking for myself, I would lie to save a life, but not to fix every day problems big or small. Although I am quite sure I have been guilty of it anyhow. When we stand to lose something do we trust God to have our backs and fix things? Or do we lie? Question; what is a "right motive" for lying? blessings abound, bowler |
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3 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | skccab | 207905 | ||
Shalom Bowler, Amen! Lying is always wrong, BUT in God's eyes a human life is the priority if and when that choice arises against an innocent person. (The opposite is true when human life hangs in the balance where a crime is concerned, i.e. an American capital crime, to lie to save that life would be wrong - God instituted capital punishment.) Cheri |
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4 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | humbledbyhisgrace | 207909 | ||
Dear Cheri, Wouldn't the fallacy in that teaching be that one believes the answer to protecting the life of another requires them to lie? This appears to be mankind's way of justifying sin. God says not to and mankind says, well okay however, if this or that takes place then I believe I am justified. And even worse then that, you are saying God condones the very thing He prohibits in His law. How is it one can ever justify their disobedience to God? Truly His ways are much higher then ours! Also, consider what it is you are actually teaching. This concept would bring into question that God's laws are limited and not absolute! This would in fact insert fallacy in the perfect laws of a perfect God. His laws do not contradict one another nor is there any thing lacking in them. They are absolute, perfect, solid through and through! They come from a perfect and holy God! Something else to consider. You speak for God as if your theory is His when you say "BUT in God's eyes a human life is the priority if and when that choice arises against an innocent person." Where in scripture do we find this teaching? John 15:13 (NASB) "Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends." - Now why would one approve of lying (sinning) when there is no requirement for them to lie (sin) and most importantly, God's law teaches us not to? If your concern was for the persons life, scriptures says the greater love is to lay down ones life. Lying for them is not love, it's more like a selfish act to protect one's own interest. Steve |
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5 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | skccab | 207910 | ||
Steve, You misunderstood me!! I never said that there is a time that lying is OK or condoned by the Father. Neither is being a part of what would amount to murder. Reference scripture to back up that human life is precious to God is Lev. 22:21-23:9; Deut. 27:19, 24, 25. I'm sorry there's another passage that is on my mind but I can't find it - about a man causing the death of another man, and the dead man's blood would be on his hands and required of him (not the life for life, eye for eye passage though) First of all lying is always wrong and will be dealt with as such. BUT if telling the truth would bring about the death of an innocent person - then unfortunatly the human person (you or myself) is put into a situation where whichever route we take is wrong and a sin. It's wrong to knowingly play a part in the death of another human being who is not deserving of the death sentence according to God's Torah and it is wrong to lie. This is what God called giving a false witness. (Now I AM talking about situations such as Nazi Germany against the Jews and other "undesireables", or lying in a capital trial to put someone you know is innocent to death, or someone bursting into your life wanting to find someone to perform an act of revenge that you know nothing about, etc. - not just lying because it's more convenient.) Which of the two sins could I personally live with, could you live with? I hope we never have to make such a choice!! Shalom Cheri |
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6 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | humbledbyhisgrace | 207915 | ||
Dear Cheri, If it is not condoned by the Father, why dear would we dare lead another to consider it? I can think of no biblical or moral reasoning for such. Perhaps it is how you are viewing this. You said "knowingly play a part in the death of another human being". Well let me ask you, if you were faced with the scenario you have laid out, what part of their death would you play? And further more, what mandate is there that you even speak? Do you have to say anything at all? Certainly we would not say that if ask the question "where is this person I wish to kill" that not speaking is a lie of omission would we? There's is no requirement at all for one to speak. Now there may be motivation for one to protect there own life and/or interest but no mandate to lie. It would seem to me that in fact if one chose to lie in such a case it is out of convenience. And yes, I agree with you God puts a very high value on life which is reflected in His laws that He commands us to obey. God bless, Steve PS. I too hope we are never faced with such a trial! |
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7 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | skccab | 207927 | ||
Shalom Steve, I will give you the last word on this. Bowler already did a marvelous job in his answer to Azure in post number 207920, I see no need to parrot him. I'll just simply say - "What he said!!" Have a great day Cheri |
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8 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | humbledbyhisgrace | 207934 | ||
Dear Cheri, Did you actually read the post you referenced by bowler? Do you really qualify this as a “marvelous” job? I am amazed not only at his post but at your acceptance of his teaching. Perhaps it is good you see no need to parrot him. Correcting is what is needed! He wrongly interprets the scripture and even has gone so far to say our Lord actually broke the law which scripture clearly teaches us He is sinless. This is unbelievable coming from some of those I see accepting of these teachings including you! There is so much wrong with what he has said it’s hard to even know where to start! But I will attempt to point out what I see as the fallacy in his understanding simply by pointing to his wrong interpretation of the scripture he is hanging his hat on. He pointed to Luke 14:5. And from this verse he develops his argument that even the Lord Himself would break one law for the better good. Unfortunately, bowler should allow scripture to interpret scripture. Matthew 12:11-12 (NASB) 11 And He said to them, "What man is there among you who has a sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will he not take hold of it and lift it out? 12 "How much more valuable then is a man than a sheep! So then, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath." Note the Lord says in verse 12, it is LAWFUL to do good on the Sabbath. bowler on the other hand presents it as the breaking of the law which in fact is the same thing those who set out to trap the Lord was doing. bowler even goes so far to say that “Jesus said to them, "which one of you would not break the law to save the life of his live stock if it fell down the well?" Well, where in scripture does it say that? bowler explains it as the Lord breaking one law for the better good. Problem with bowlers interpretation is it contradicts the scripture. The Lord did not break one law for what bowler believes to be the better good. Nor did the Lord ask "which one of you would not break the law to save the life of his live stock if it fell down the well?" as bowler said He did. The scripture teaches us He is without sin! According to the scripture, He did not break the law at all for He said (not bowler, but the Lord Himself said) it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath! See, there is no law against doing good! As a matter of fact, doing good is a manifestation of the fruit of the Spirit! So what you attribute as a “marvelous” job, actually wrongly interprets scripture, accuses our Lord Jesus as breaking the law, and promotes to others it is better to sin then to obey. At this point I am dumbfounded by his teaching and your acceptance of such. Steve |
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9 | is it ok to lie in certain cases | Col 3:9 | skccab | 207938 | ||
Steve, I read Bowler's post with the view that he was stating the Pharisees saw the act as breaking the Sabbath law - for the Sabbath law requires no work to be done (Ex. 20:8-11), hauling an animal out of a pit certainly is work. But the exertion required to save the animal out of a pit is the letter, not the spirit of that law. That's how I read Bowler's "teachings," Actually, I don't see that he is "teaching" anything, he's stating his understanding of lesser and greater wrongs. I stated my position once, and that is enough. Cheri |
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