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1 | Is baptism done only once? | Eph 4:5 | Reformer Joe | 42385 | ||
Congratulations! You have once again demonstrated complete theological ignorance, as well as declaring the apostles to be apostate. Namely, you wrote: "the only trick is what the church has been doing to these people all these years and now are going to be exposed with holy spirit...again if you are not a jew water baptism "never" applied to you!" Well, it seems that Paul baptized a few Gentiles in his day... "I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one would say you were baptized in my name. Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other." --1 Corinthians 1:14-16 I guess you know more than Paul did, but hey, he was only an ignorant apostle, not a wise man with a modem! You also wrote: ".and if jesus specifically wanted man to use water...then he would have told his apostles after pentecost to use water but he did not!they did until the holy spirit told them otherwise!" So what you are saying is that the apostles were baptizing with water for years and years, and then in Acts 11, the Holy Spirit suddenly told Peter that EVERYONE had been doing it wrong? Great timing on God's part, there! How ridiculous. You also asserted: 'god "never" leaves any of his work for man to do..it has always been the holy spirit doing the teaching...not a preacher,reverend of the pope" Oh really? No teaching by man? "And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third TEACHERS, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues." --1 Coritnhians 12:28 "And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and TEACHERS" --Ephesians 4:11 "Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom TEACHING and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God." --Colossians 3:16 Hmmm...seems the Holy Spirit uses MEN to to a great deal of His teaching. Now let's look at baptism. If the Holy Spirit is the one baptizing, and men do not play a part in it, why does Jesus tell his disciples to baptize people? Were the disciples supposed to baptize them in the Holy Spirit? The men Jesus commissioned were certainly supposed to be involved in the baptism in SOME way. You wrote: '"MAN" has taught water baptism in the church but now....it is the spirit....and where in ephesians 4:5 does it say water?' Nowhere. And when it talks about people eating something, they don't always say they ate FOOD! You know why? Because all but the most obtuse people understand that the baptism that people perform on other people is done with water. You wrote: "peter had the holy spirit and still used water but was corrected and said this....Acts 11:16" So Peter baptized Cornelius and his family with the Holy Spirit? If that is so, he does it in a most interesting way: "And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days." --Acts 10:48 He ordered WHOM to baptize them? The Holy Spirit? Peter was bossing God around? See, this is what happens when people disconnect themselves from the church's 2000-year history regarding the apostolic tradition. I have shown you that just about every sentence you wrote in this post is simply wrong. You reference to Galatians was so out of left field that it doesn;t even merit a response. Where exactly do you go to church that water baptism is not performed? I suspect that you in your infinitessimal wisdom and your Bible decided that you were right on this, and forget about EVERYONE else who is misguided, because the "Holy Spirit has shown YOU the truth"! Please get yourself under some sound teaching, because that kooky voice in your head that you are listening to is not the third Person of the Trinity. --Joe! |
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2 | Is baptism done only once? | Eph 4:5 | jmscott2 | 42436 | ||
is the church the teacher or the holy spirit?2000 years means what when compared to the holy spirit!paul never used water...you asume water because that is what you were taught since you were a kid!2000 years lol!....the apostles were not apostates they just needed the holy spirit to teach them read John 14:26 and 16:12-14......peter ate with gentiles and when the jews came he turned his back on them but paul confronted him....was peter mistaken for his behavior,yes!....but he was corrected.....and so will religion be corrected by the holy spirit!and only a carnal minded person would resort to name calling and in the same breath "PROCLAIM" to be a christians!(kooky name in my head).....you see the carnal in your mind?....galatians 3:1-5......2 corinthians 5:16-17....everyday on this site christians,preachers,reverends,honest minded people ask questions and argue over many matters..to no avail.....but remember this 1 corinthians 12:13.....good day.....preacher! | ||||||
3 | Is baptism done only once? | Eph 4:5 | Reformer Joe | 42441 | ||
You wrote: "is the church the teacher or the holy spirit?" Yes, the Holy Spirit teaches us THROUGH the church. Go back and read the Bible verses I posted. You do believe the Bible, don't you? "paul never used water...you asume water because that is what you were taught since you were a kid" So what did he use? Ketchup? Please enlighten us. "the apostles were not apostates they just needed the holy spirit to teach them read John 14:26 and 16:12-14" Yes, and they had to the Holy Spirit to teach them since Pentecost. They still baptized with water. Maybe God felt that they just needed years and years before He was to reveal to them that "water baptism is not for today." Good thing you are listening to the Spirit more carefully than they were! ;) John 14:26 is a great verse. The Holy Spirit does indeed teach us. The Holy Spirit teaches us THROUGH the church. Go back and read the Bible verses I posted. You do believe the Bible, don't you? "peter ate with gentiles and when the jews came he turned his back on them but paul confronted him" That has nothing to do with this discussion. 'and so will religion be corrected by the holy spirit!and only a carnal minded person would resort to name calling and in the same breath "PROCLAIM" to be a christians!(kooky name in my head)' I said you had a kooky VOICE in your head; get it straight. And did the apostles resort to "name calling"? "You FOOLISH Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified" --Galatians 3:1 "Reject a factious man after a first and second warning, knowing that such a man is PERVERTED and is sinning, being self-condemned." --Titus 3:10-11 "and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the UNTAUGHT and UNSTABLE distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction." --2 Peter 3:15-16 Hmmm...foolish, perverted, untaught, and unstable. Guess who I am thinking of right now! "you see the carnal in your mind?" Nope...but I am sure that the "Holy Spirit" is telling you to tell me all about it... So before I respond to you again, I want you to go back, look at all of the Bible verses I posted before, and actually fit those into your convoluted theology. Go back and read the Bible verses I posted. You do believe the Bible, don't you? --Joe! |
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4 | Is baptism done only once? | Eph 4:5 | jmscott2 | 42504 | ||
where does it say in the bible that the holy spirit teaches through the church?and to suggest that a kooky voice in someone heads is suggesting that you have authority to say that!.....read john 16:12-16 and 16:7-8.....acts 1:5...and acts 11:16....19:3...and verse 4....and verse 5.....which is in harmony with matthew 28:19-20.....galatians 3:27 | ||||||
5 | Is baptism done only once? | Eph 4:5 | Reformer Joe | 42523 | ||
"where does it say in the bible that the holy spirit teaches through the church?" As I said, go back up the thread and examine all the verses which show that God has appointed the office of TEACHER in the church, and that the gift of TEACHING is one of the gifts of the Spirit. Go back and examine the Bible verses I have cited (1 Corinthians 12:28, Ephesians 4:11, and Colossians 3:16, which are representative of dozens of others which imply the very same thing). Are they wrong? Or am I? If I am wrong about them, please, oh, please tell me what they really DO mean! --Joe! |
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6 | Is baptism done only once? | Eph 4:5 | jmscott2 | 42528 | ||
god has NEVER said the church was the teacher..it has ALWAYS been the holy spirit!john 15:26...john 14:26.........16:12....not a body of men!....let me ask you this?.....who gave the command to baptize?what is it not jesus....john baptized with water.....NOW....baptism is with holy spirit....if you can't see that.....then so be it...who in there right mind thinks men are teaching the gospel and not the holy spirit!god uses man as mouth piece...but it is ALWAYS..read exodous 4:11-15.......you do believe in all the bible right? | ||||||
7 | Is baptism done only once? | Eph 4:5 | Reformer Joe | 42543 | ||
So I suppose that means you have no answer to the verses I posted. How surprising. --Joe! |
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