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1 | Are there any true prophets/prophetss' t | Eph 4:11 | BradK | 194483 | ||
Hi Tim, As I view it, there is a transition happening during this period of Acts that coincides with the writing of 1 Corinthians. The gifts had not yet ended at the time Paul writes 1 Corinthians (obviously). Yet, in 13:8 he says that love (which is not a "sign" gift) "never fails". I believe the Greek verb 'pistei' translated can mean "become null and void". The overall characteristic God desires in the life of believers is love.(13:1,13) Other temporary gifts will be done away with, cease and end, but love is permanent! With respect to prophecies, Paul says, "They will be done away". The Greek noun 'propheteiai' used in this context, refers to one of the early gifts given to members of the Church (Rom. 12:6, 1 Cor. 12:10, 13:2). The gift enabled those to whom it was given to recall and speak via the Spirit to those in local assemblies (cf 14:22, Eph. 3:5). The person who had the gift of prophecy edified, exhorted and taught believers (14:3-4, 33). My point is this: Even though gifts of prophecies were very important for establishing the Church, Paul says, "they will be done away". The verb here translated "they will be done away" is in the future tense and passive voice, which means that God -who gave them - will remove (cancel, make null)them. With the completion of the Canon of Scripture, this gift was (and is) no longer necessary. So, the question as to exactly WHEN these gifts cease (or ceased) is answered.(Heb. 1:1-2) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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2 | Are there any true prophets/prophetss' t | Eph 4:11 | miller521 | 194630 | ||
Just because he said they shall case, does not mean it has already ceased. If we say that they are ceased now , then lets read that whole scripture. Charity never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether [there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away. So you woul dhave to agree that knowledge is vanished away too? That would be an absurd thought, to think that there is no more knowledge in this world. But if we keep reading, we know that when that which is perfect is come, those things will vanish away. Jesus is perfect, and at the time the author wrote that, Jesus had not yet returned for his church, and he still hasn't today, so that which is perfect has still not come. |
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3 | Are there any true prophets/prophetss' t | Eph 4:11 | BradK | 194656 | ||
Miller, While we can all agree that Jesus has obviously not returned, the question is- to what does the coming of that which is perfect, completed and accomplished refer? There has been a great deal of speculation regarding the meaning of this verse. I've heard it refers to the completion of the NT Canon, Christ, and even Love. However, the noun which is rendered "perfect" in 13:10 is 'to telieon' (Gr.). In Greek grammar, the noun must agree in gender with that to which it refers. Since "perfect" is in the neuter gender, it must have a corresponding agreement to the object referred. 'Jesus' is in the masculine gender and would thereby not agree! Grammatically, that's probably not the answer! My best, reasoned asnwer is that no one really seems to know what the "perfect" is! "...But then I shall know even as I have been known" (Vs. 12) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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4 | Are there any true prophets/prophetss' t | Eph 4:11 | skccab | 194659 | ||
Brad, I'm nowhere near being able to look up Greek or Hebrew words, but what would that verse be in Hebrew? It may have been written in Greek, but it was written by a Jew who was steeped in Hebrew and Jewish idions. Would looking into that verse with a Hebrew lean maybe give an idea as to what the "perfect" is? Still simply just reciting the aleph-bet and stumbling something awful with the words :-) Cheri |
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