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1 | Is the Potter free to do as He pleases? | Eph 2:3 | John Reformed | 98865 | ||
Dear NC, You wrote: "My question wasn't about the identity of who these individuals were, but rather that the individuals mentioned, no matter who you view them as being, were not in a fixed or unmovable state of being "objects of wrath". I agree with your conclusion. But in Rom 9 the term used is "vessels PREPARED for destruction" (caps mine). My point being that "objects of wrath" represent mankind universally, but vessels prepared for destruction represent those to whom mercy has not been given. This country, in particular, has a great deal of difficulty in accepting the fact that no one has a right to mercy. In fact if mercy was a right it would not be mercy at all. Paul clearly states mercy to be up to God alone. He gives it and witholds it according to His good pleasure...And He always does so in holiness and according to justice. Our problem is believing that God would purpose to show mercy to some, but, justice to the rest. It seems un-democratic (small d). We forget that God's government is a Kingship and He is a soveriegn King! 17 Dan 4:35 "All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, But He does according to His will in the host of heaven And among the inhabitants of earth; And no one can ward off His hand Or say to Him, 'What have You done?' John |
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2 | "objects of wrath" revisted | Eph 2:3 | New Creature | 99141 | ||
John Reformed The problem I have with your interpretation that the "objects of wrath" mentioned in Rom. 9:22 and in Eph. 2:3 are not one and the same is this. Even though in Eph. 2:3 the words "prepared for destruction" are not found, that still isn't proof to suspect that the "objects of wrath" in Rom. 9:22 differs from those mentioned in Eph. 2:3 If the "objects of wrath" in Eph. 2:3 were not the same as the "objects of wrath" in Rom. 9:22 then they would be labeled "objects of mercy" I don't see Scripture mentioning a third class of people that we could say are in between the two states. I see them as either "objects of wrath" or "objects of mercy" Where do you come up with a third category? In your interpretation you make a third class of individuals. I don't believe that Scripture supports that idea. Blessings to you New Creature |
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3 | "objects of wrath" revisted | Eph 2:3 | Reformer Joe | 99232 | ||
Actually, Paul uses the term "children of wrath" in Ephesians 2:3, and includes everyone in that category as being formerly in that category or still in that category ("We all"). He is also referring to our natures, not referring to God's purpose in election. Even if I was chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world and my sins were atoned for by Christ centuries before my birth, in my nature I was (i.e. before conversion) just like those who will be in hell. Therefore, I can say that I was formerly a child of wrath and never a vessel of wrath prepared for destruction. --Joe! |
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