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1 | "objects of wrath" | Eph 2:3 | John Reformed | 98727 | ||
Dear NC, Romans 9 22What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath--prepared for destruction? 23What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory-- You concluded "From the following verse it appears that even the saved were (past tense) "objects of wrath" It seems, here at least, that being an "object of wrath" is not an fixed unmoveable condition." I think you are making a mistake that we all make from time to time, that is, reading our pre-suppositions into the text and forgetting to consider the preceeding verses. Paul had stated in Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! (15) For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION." (16)So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. Paul, knowing that his statement will bring surprise and protest from some, anticipates their objection and states the anticipated question, then answers it for them it for them: Rom 9:19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?" Rom 9:20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it? Paul then ( so as to humble the objectors) reminds them what they are, and Who God is! They perhaps, were of the opinion that they (lumps of clay) had a right to protest over God’s (The Potter) right to form them according to His purpose alone. They thought they had “rights “ which superceded those of their Maker! Paul sets them straight. I believe it is important to remember that those who were not chosen by God to receive mercy have no right to protest because all have freely sinned and deserve only His justice. My advise is…don’t complicate this chapter by reading into it that which it does not say. John |
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2 | "objects of wrath" | Eph 2:3 | Hank | 98813 | ||
John Reformed - This evening I happened to glance through the Book of Romans and lo, I discovered that Romans 9 has 8 chapters before it and 7 chapters after it. Just thought I'd pass this on in case you thought Romans 9 was the only chapter in the book. No charge for the service. Glad to oblige. --Hank | ||||||
3 | "objects of wrath" | Eph 2:3 | John Reformed | 98873 | ||
Dear Hank, You wrote : "John Reformed - This evening I happened to glance through the Book of Romans and lo, I discovered that Romans 9 has 8 chapters before it and 7 chapters after it. Just thought I'd pass this on in case you thought Romans 9 was the only chapter in the book. No charge for the service. Glad to oblige." --Hank Sarcasm: A keen, reproachful expression; a satirical remark uttered with some degree of scorn or contempt; a taunt; a gibe; a cutting jest. I don't know if "sarcasem" is a sin, but, it certainly is'nt a grace. John |
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4 | "objects of wrath" | Eph 2:3 | Hank | 98880 | ||
John Reformed - And neither do I know whether incessantly posting the same TULIP theories on this forum is a sin, but it certainly is a disgrace. --Hank | ||||||