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1 | "objects of wrath" | Eph 2:3 | John Reformed | 99337 | ||
Dear Ed, You wrote:"John notice one more thing it says "WHOLE WORLD" since you speak Calvinese culd you explain does this mean "whole' like in the total world or does it mean "whole" like only the elect. If it means the latter could you please provide the Calvinese language rules that forward that meaning. I'm trying to learn your language. :-) EdB" 1 John 2:1-2 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. We do agree on one thing Ed, that is the Bible never contradicts itself. That being a given, how do we reconcile 1 John 1-2 with John 6:44 which teaches that no one can come to the Father UNLESS he is drawn by the Father. We can't say that the Father draws all men because Jesus says that everyone the Father draws comes to Him (Jesus), and the one who comes to Him will not be cast out but will be raised up on the last day! Therefore my conclusion is that everyone in the whole world who is drawn by the Father has Christ as the propitiator of their sins. Sorry Ed, business calls...John |
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2 | "objects of wrath" | Eph 2:3 | EdB | 99384 | ||
John John 6:44 I read to mean sees the need for salvation read verse 44 is says all that see me(Jesus) and believes will be saved. To me this passage rather than talking about election is talking about those that see Jesus for what He is their salvation and accepts Him as that propitiation for sin will be saved. John also notice what you did, you proof texted. You took verses that you felt proved your point but skipped right over the verses that explained what Jesus was really talking about. EdB |
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