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1 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | Wild Olive Shoot | 187871 | ||
Mark, Although I don't necessarily want to engage in a discussion where you and I don't see eye to eye, only because I respect your opinion and truly take in all you post as well with Tim, I think Psalm25 is correct if the issue is an eternal issue. Although, I don't believe Psalm25 wanted to take the discussion there. In light of what you and Tim have posted I see the point as far as using the text incorrectly to support a position and I understand the responsibility to correct a wrong understanding. However I don't feel that is the case here. If God seals someone today, is that sealing really eternal? Wouldn’t it rather be continuous from that point? Eternal describes all ages, not just from the present and forward, but all ages. According to 2 Timothy 1:9, who saved us and when? 2Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, “which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began; it is a gift, and a free gift, not at all depending upon any conditions in the creature, and entirely proceeding from the sovereign will of God; and it was a gift from eternity; there was not only a purpose of grace in God's heart, and a promise of it so early, but there was a real donation of it in eternity: and though those to whom it was given did not then personally exist, yet Christ did, and he existed as a covenant head and representative of his people; and they were in him, as members of him, as represented by him, being united to him; and this grace was given to him for them, and to them in him; in whom they were chosen, and in whom they were blessed with all spiritual blessings. The Ethiopic version reads, "in Christ Jesus, who before the world was"; but without any foundation.” – John Gill Romans 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Ephesians 1:4, 5: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, John 17:2,3: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. What is eternal life if it is not eternal? Eternal as used in John 17:2: perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well): - eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began). Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; God promised eternal life before the world began. Do you not think God made the promise actual at that point? He chose us in him before the foundation of the world. Who was the promise for if it wasn’t for those he chose before the foundation of the world? Stand in His grace, WOS |
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2 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | mark d seyler | 187876 | ||
Hi WOS, I don’t think such a debate would serve to edify the body within this forum. When the sealing happens, in my opinion, does not dictate the nature of that sealing. We appear to disagree over the course this discussion has taken, but that need not occupy undue forum space. Concerning your notion of eternal, I would suggest we consider the ramifications. If expressing something that happens in an “eternal” way means that it “describes all ages”, are you suggesting that since we have received eternal life, that we will have lived from eternity past? I would think that only God does that. You asked, “According to 2 Timothy 1:9, who saved us and when?” 2Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, God has saved us. But this verse does not tell us when we are saved. “Before the world began” as a clause relates to God’s grace being given. But you and I, we have different presuppositions, I believe. You believe, unless I am mistaken, that God’s grace is only given to the redeemed. I believe that God’s grace is given to all, but refused by many. We won’t settle our differences with this passage, unfortunately. Rather than get into this debate at this time, I’ll just close with this: Romans 8:28-29 (28) And we have known that to those loving God all things do work together for good, to those who are called according to purpose; (29) because whom He did foreknow, He also did fore-appoint, conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be first-born among many brethren; 2Co 5:17 so that if any one is in Christ -- he is a new creature; Eph 1:3 Blessed is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who did bless us in every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, Love in Christ, Mark |
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3 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | Wild Olive Shoot | 187879 | ||
Hey Mark, I agree. I don’t believe we could come to a mutual understanding on the subject and our debate would benefit nobody. But, just so you know where I stand, I hope it is in God’s grace, and that grace is freely dispensed according to His good pleasure. Ephesians 1:5,6: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. Ephesians 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. 2Thessalonians 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power: Eph 4:3–7: 3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Stand in His grace, WOS |
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4 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | mark d seyler | 187880 | ||
Hi WOS, Thank you for your kind reply! Have a great weekend! Love in Christ, Mark |
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