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NASB | Ephesians 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ephesians 1:13 In Him, you also, when you heard the word of truth, the good news of your salvation, and [as a result] believed in Him, were stamped with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit [the One promised by Christ] as owned and protected [by God]. [John 7:39; Acts 2:33] |
Subject: Can you lose your salvation? |
Bible Note: Mark, Although I don't necessarily want to engage in a discussion where you and I don't see eye to eye, only because I respect your opinion and truly take in all you post as well with Tim, I think Psalm25 is correct if the issue is an eternal issue. Although, I don't believe Psalm25 wanted to take the discussion there. In light of what you and Tim have posted I see the point as far as using the text incorrectly to support a position and I understand the responsibility to correct a wrong understanding. However I don't feel that is the case here. If God seals someone today, is that sealing really eternal? Wouldn’t it rather be continuous from that point? Eternal describes all ages, not just from the present and forward, but all ages. According to 2 Timothy 1:9, who saved us and when? 2Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, “which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began; it is a gift, and a free gift, not at all depending upon any conditions in the creature, and entirely proceeding from the sovereign will of God; and it was a gift from eternity; there was not only a purpose of grace in God's heart, and a promise of it so early, but there was a real donation of it in eternity: and though those to whom it was given did not then personally exist, yet Christ did, and he existed as a covenant head and representative of his people; and they were in him, as members of him, as represented by him, being united to him; and this grace was given to him for them, and to them in him; in whom they were chosen, and in whom they were blessed with all spiritual blessings. The Ethiopic version reads, "in Christ Jesus, who before the world was"; but without any foundation.” – John Gill Romans 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Ephesians 1:4, 5: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, John 17:2,3: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. What is eternal life if it is not eternal? Eternal as used in John 17:2: perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well): - eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began). Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; God promised eternal life before the world began. Do you not think God made the promise actual at that point? He chose us in him before the foundation of the world. Who was the promise for if it wasn’t for those he chose before the foundation of the world? Stand in His grace, WOS |