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1 | spirtual seed? | Gal 3:28 | hobbs | 170218 | ||
Dear CDBJ, If indeed I am boasting, my boast is in Christ. To Him be all glory and honor! Rom 11:1-5 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel? "Lord, THEY HAVE KILLED YOUR PROPHETS, THEY HAVE TORN DOWN YOUR ALTARS, AND I ALONE AM LEFT, AND THEY ARE SEEKING MY LIFE." But what is the divine response to him? "I HAVE KEPT for Myself SEVEN THOUSAND MEN WHO HAVE NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL." In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God's gracious choice. Paul is disabusing those Gentiles who are of the notion that the Jews have been totally cast away and abandoned by God. He points to himself as a Jew to make his point. He follows that by further pointing out that among the Jewish nation there is still a REMNANT among the rest. This remnant exists not because they were born into the tribe of Israel, but because of God’s grace! John |
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2 | spirtual seed? | Gal 3:28 | Wild Olive Shoot | 170237 | ||
Romans 11:25,26: 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: The following commentary from John Gill hits the subject in great detail concerning your statement “This remnant exists not because they were born into the tribe of Israel, but because of God’s grace!” “Rom 11:25 - that ye should be ignorant of this mystery; he was desirous that they should abound and improve in all spiritual knowledge and judgment, and, among the rest, be better informed of this particular article, the call of the Jews: and his view in apprizing them of it is expressed in the following clause, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits: lest they should imagine that they were the only wise and knowing persons, and be elated in their minds with their knowledge and understanding, and look with contempt upon the poor, blind, ignorant Jews, as if they were always to remain in such a state of darkness and infidelity. The thing he had to inform them of is, that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in; by Israel is meant the Jews, the descendants of Jacob, whose name was Israel. … …This blindness "happened" to them not by chance, but befell them by the decree, and according to the will of God, who hardens whom he pleases; and according to various predictions in the Old Testament, cited in Mat_13:14; and in righteous judgment, for since they liked not to retain God and his Christ in their knowledge, it was but just in God to give them up to reprobate minds, to judicial blindness, and hardness of heart: but then this blindness only happened to them "in part"; not that it was only in some measure or some degree, for it was total, they were darkness itself, and had no spiritual and evangelic light at all on whom it fell; but that this blindness was not general with respect to persons, there were some few, a seed, a remnant, that were delivered from it, though the far greater part of the nation were involved in it, and continue in it to this day; and will do, "until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in": that is, till the whole number of God's elect among them, be called and brought into the Gospel church state, which in the latter day will be very great; when the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea; when the kingdoms of this world shall become the kingdoms of our Lord and his Christ; and the abundance of the sea shall be converted, and the forces of the Gentiles shall come to the church, and multitudes of them shall flock thither, as doves to their windows: and since the blindness of the Jews is not yet removed, it seems plain that the full number of God's chosen ones among the Gentiles is not yet completed in regeneration; for as soon as ever they are all called and brought in, the vail will be taken away from the Jews, and they will be turned unto the Lord. Rom 11:26 - And so all Israel shall be saved,.... Meaning not the mystical spiritual Israel of God, consisting both of Jews and Gentiles, who shall appear to be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation, when all God's elect among the latter are gathered in, which is the sense many give into; but the people of the Jews, the generality of them, the body of that nation, called "the fulness" of them, Rom_11:12, and relates to the latter day, when a nation of them shall be born again at once; when, their number being as the sand of the sea, they shall come up out of the lands where they are dispersed, and appoint them one head, Christ, and great shall be the day of Jezreel; when they as a body, even the far greater part of them that shall be in being, shall return and seek the Lord their God, and David their King; shall acknowledge Jesus to be the true Messiah, and shall look to him, believe on him, and be saved by him from wrath to come.” – John Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible I hope this can shed some light on the subject. WOS |
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3 | spirtual seed? | Gal 3:28 | hobbs | 170262 | ||
Thanks WOS, In researching this topic, I found an article which helped me understand what this debate is all about. http://www.chaim.org/xpansion.htm John |
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4 | spirtual seed? | Gal 3:28 | Morant61 | 170274 | ||
Greetings John! Thanks for the link! The quote that I liked best was this: "God has not replaced the Jewish people with the church. Quite to the contrary, God has grafted Gentile branches into the tree of believing Israel, a tree made up of all true believers, both Jewish and Gentile, a tree rooted in the faith of the patriarchs (Romans 11:17-24). God has expanded Israel, not replaced it. It precisely because of the fact that Gentile believers have been grafted into the tree of Israel, a tree foreign to their nature, that they have an obligation to the Jewish people, those natural branches which were cut off and which will be grafted in again. The doctrine of spiritual Israel should never be abused to imply God is finished with the Jewish people -- quite the contrary! It is expressly because of the truth of this doctrine we must stand by the natural branches and pray for their grafting in again! " An interesting related question is, 'Does Rom. 11:26 refer to the nation of Israel or to the Spiritual Israel?' Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | spirtual seed? | Gal 3:28 | hobbs | 170276 | ||
'Does Rom. 11:26 refer to the nation of Israel or to the Spiritual Israel?' Dear Tim, If I recall correctly, you wrote a thesis on Romans 11 in seminary. I'd prefer your opinion over my own on this particular question. But since you asked, my immediate response would be spiritual Israel. All those whom God has shown mercy (ROM 9). An example: I don't expect to see Judas Iscariot at the wedding feast of the Lamb. John |
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6 | spirtual seed? | Gal 3:28 | Morant61 | 170281 | ||
Greetings John! Thanks for your thoughts my friend! I could see either side on this question, but I probably tend toward Spiritual Israel rather than national Israel. The sense then would be something like: "All Israel will be saved, but not all the descendents of Abraham are part of this Israel." Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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