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1 | Vessels prepared for destruction? | Rom 9:22 | CDBJ | 70381 | ||
Greetings Makarios, your post reads, God does not create 'vessels of wrath prepared for destruction.' According to Genesis 1:31, "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. ..." And when God said this, He was including human beings! If this is the case, is Romans 9:21 not a part of the inspired Word of God? Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? Which one in Genesis is this talking about since there were only two that were actually created and how can Gen. 2:7 come before Gen. 1:31 for God to SEE it was good? When God made this statement Lucifer had long since been created and God knew that he wasn’t good. I am curious, as I have never heard this put quite the way you posted it. CDBJ |
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2 | Vessels prepared for destruction? | Rom 9:22 | Makarios | 70385 | ||
Greetings CDBJ, Please don't tell me that you have also been led astray by Calvinism, my friend! I do not see how Romans 9:21 has a direct bearing (or should have a direct bearing) on Genesis 1:31 or the creation (or procreation) of human beings. "9:21 The analogy between God and the potter and between man and the pot should not be pressed to the extreme. The main point is the sovereign freedom of God in dealing with man." (1) CDBJ, I have many more sources that I can draw from that indicate that this verse is an expression of God's sovereignty, and should not be taken to its extremity. Please do not let the Calvinist understanding of this verse pollute your faith to the point that the Great Commission becomes meaningless, my friend, no matter how fashionable or "strong" an argument is presented. As you well know, there is a huge difference between what the Bible actually says as opposed to what a specific group or sect might make it to say, based on their own objectives. Blessings to you, Makarios (1) The Zondervan NASB Study Bible, 1999, The Zondervan Corporation, pg. 1649 |
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3 | Vessels prepared for destruction? | Rom 9:22 | CDBJ | 70390 | ||
I don’t fall into either the C camp or the A camp but the statement that you just made that we shouldn’t go too far with what you say is an extreme in understanding God’s word just might have me leaning toward the C camp. Getting back to my Question at the point of creation where God saw that all was good: He had already created Lucifer and that surely wasn’t good or is that one of the times when we shouldn’t go to extremes? And by the way how do we know when these times are, maybe eternal life doesn’t really mean what it says and maybe we aren’t really saved as it says, that seems pretty extreme to give a guy like me eternal life just for trusting in Christ. Or maybe God doesn’t reveal what I know to those who are entrenched in the A camp? I will say this for sure I know what I know and I know I can’t loose it because I didn’t do anything to get it in the first place. I just believe it and it doesn’t depend on me to hang on to it, if it did I would have lost it by now! I guess that I can say to all that are in the A camp that you have my best regards and I wish you the best however it might turn out. Why do we have to be classified as a Calvinist or and Arminianist? I just want to be classified as a Christian. I don’t belong to either one of those two guys, I belong to Christ! CDBJ |
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4 | Vessels prepared for destruction? | Rom 9:22 | Makarios | 70391 | ||
Greetings CDBJ, We don't have to be classified as being a Calvinist or an Arminian. Only a select few on this forum pronounce themselves as proudly being 5 point Calvinists. I am certainly not a "5 point Arminian", and I have never claimed to be as such. I am a Christian who finds great flaws within the Calvinist understanding of Christianity, and I find its growing influence on this forum quite unnerving. Yes, I am in full support of classifing ourselves as "Christians" over and above any other classification, my friend. I certainly cannot be accused of impressing my "Arminian" point of view towards this Forum on a daily basis, but present history has found the need for myself to become much more vocal on this subject. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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5 | Vessels prepared for destruction? | Rom 9:22 | CDBJ | 70394 | ||
Well I can find the same fault with both sides and there are so many out there that don’t have a hint as to the Gospel and the plan of salvation. It is virtually a sin for us to be wasting our time on something that has never been proven for hundreds of years when we could be such a blessing to so many that don’t even know Christ or those that think that they do and really don’t. Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. |
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6 | Vessels prepared for destruction? | Rom 9:22 | Makarios | 70395 | ||
Great post, CDBJ! I must say that I most certainly agree with you there. - Makarios |
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