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1 | tortoise, How does Rom 8:1 relate to OT | Rom 8:1 | Rowdy | 112137 | ||
I am actually glad to see this kind of dialouge show up on the Forum as it's an excellent example of the point I've tried to make with previous posts. Let's start with your verse as stated above from Paul in Rom 8:1. Of course, there's no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus but that's the actual crux of the matter. Can a christian (as I assume you are) actually keep on willfully continue in sin without real, genuine repentance? I'm afraid the net sum of the Bible clearly teaches that this can't be so. Peter puts it rather bluntly in 2 Pet 2:22 and depicts a christian doing this like "a dog returning to its vomit or a pig to its mud." Yes, disgusting, I agreee but that's how our Lord and Father sees us if we continue in this kind of activity. John makes it a little clearer in 1 John 1:5-10. If a person continues in this kind of willful disobedience to our Father and doesn't really plan to sincerely stop; if he makes an attempt to "repent" merely for other men's sake, it's no good to our Father. That person is still in his sins. Surely you must agree, this is really quite clear in John's epistle. Please let me say this to the whole Forum. These basic principles apply to ALL sin in our lives. Again, let me be clear, these principles apply to all christians. Once you're in the body of Christ, you CAN most certainly choose to go back to a life of sin and maybe even fool your best friends and brethren in the church. But if your life is a lie; if you're not truly repenting every day of the sins in your life and trying to genuinely live a Christ-like life every moment of your life, you need to re-evaluate and take another look at your priorities. I do hope this is clear to all who read but I would love to see some responses from anyone else on this subject. God bless you all. |
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2 | tortoise, How does Rom 8:1 relate to OT | Rom 8:1 | tortoise | 112146 | ||
friend, Is 2 pet 2:2 describing a Christian? 1 John 1: 5-10 is talking to Christians whoever. There is a deep consciousness of sin for the believer. And a struggle to walk with God because of the forces that would pull us down. But, if you are not standing securely in the Father's love for you, you have no chance to survive. Please take a look with me at Romans chapter 7. Paul uses an illustration because sometimes they are easier to get our hands around. v1 "the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives", (go back in your mind to Rom 6:3-10, rememember we died with Christ), v2 "for the woman who has a husband is BOUND by the law to her husband as long as he lives." There is our word bound that we are discussing. v3 "...but if her husband dies, she is free from that law". v4 "Therefore, my bretheren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, ...". The law no longer holds you in its sway. Good thing too, see what v5 says. "For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death." See, this freedom from the law is a good thing to enable us to serve Christ. v6 "But now we have been delivered form the law, having died to what we were held by...so that we should should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter". Our esential relationship to the law has changed wouldn't you say? Remember we are saved by grace alone, but saving grace is never alone. I am not under the law, but I am free to serve God instead. tortoise |
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3 | tortoise, How does Rom 8:1 relate to OT | Rom 8:1 | Rowdy | 112222 | ||
I can see that you've put some study into this topic but I'm afraid I still stand firmly committed to the truth plainly revealed by Peter and John. I'm not exactly certain how you derive your conclusion from the scriptures above...it seems a little convoluted. But I think a passage from James 2 is much more clear as follows: 14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your[4] works, and I will show you my faith by my[5] works. 19You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble! 20But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[6] 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."[7] And he was called the friend of God. 24You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. 25Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. Please don't draw the wrong conclusion...I AM NOT saying we can work or earn our way to Heaven. Quite the opposite, but our Lord will be looking for proof that we really are in His family and not just saying "Lord, Lord." We all know from Jesus' own words that alone won't get you anywhere but if we truly love God and His Son, we MUST obey Him and we MUST SHOW that obedience. So you see, the overall net result of the words from Christ, Peter, James and John is that we MUST become part of God's family. We MUST live a faithful life of a christian, repenting of our sins at least daily and we MUST act like we're following Christ's example AND the examples of His official representatives, as described in God's Word. God bless. |
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