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1 | Does a person who never hears about Jesu | Rom 2:14 | JCrichton | 152207 | ||
Hi, Doc! "You wrote, "If I get you correctly... no one unless the Gospel is preached to them can get to know God?" Yes, that is correct. No one can know the Father except through the Son." So the Gospel and the Son are analogous... that is Jesus does not exist outside of the Gospel? "How that can possibly limit Him is quite honestly beyond my ability to understand" That was precisely my point! The Holy Scripture is not a script which God has to adhere to... the Holy Scripture is there for our instruction and edification! To claim God will save only certain number of people and these only through a prescribe format--that is limiting God! "Note that you chose the word "able." Where has anyone said that "God is not able?"" When you prescribe that only through the Gospel (which implies someone preaching to that man) could we get to know God and abide in God... this all implies that God is dependent upon man to bring man to Him; instead of the other way around... Jesus did not say: those who are brought to the Father will the Father then bring to me and I will not reject them... Jesus said: those who the Father send to Me, I will not reject! He was speaking even before the Gospel had been written... ergo, God has the Power and Authority to bring to Salvation (Jesus--resurrection and life) all whom He pleases! "Angel! Think BIGGER! There is nothing that He cannot do!" Again, my point, exactly! I do not think that there's limitations to God... but Salvation is not dependent upon missionaries! If you follow the proposed escenario, you will note that there was no middle-man interjected... God is able to touch human existence in the middle of nowhere as well as in the middle of a crowded train without the assistance of a single person! It is the Holy Spirit that searches the hearts and the most intimate places of man... not another man; and it is the Holy Spirit who convicts us of our sins and of Salvation! God's Holy Spirit operates beyond the confines of the Bible... directly in the pure existence of creation! "(Go ahead, try to find a single verse in Scripture where it says the Holy Spirit saves.)" You started out so good: God is God... but then reverted to "show me" Jesus is resurrected by God, through whom? And through whom are we to be resurrected? There isn't one single Scriptural passage that denies that the Holy Spirit resurrected Jesus and that our hope is that He who resurrected Jesus will in turn resurrect us in like manner! (Romans 8:11; Romans 6:5) So please do not confine yourself to the single written value of text... go beyond that (back to God is God--1 Corinthians 12:3) and view my words accordingly... "if you are more interested in protecting or promulgating your position" What is the position I am seeking to protect? That Christ died so that all may be saved? Did not say that! That everything is God? Did not say that either! That salvation comes to a few selected by some? Did not say that! That the Holy Spirit is the means by which God Saves? Scripture says that! That Jesus is not the Savior? Never said that! That God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit can be divided into seperate and distinct beings? Never! That a hypothetical situation where a person is not exposed to missionaries or the Bible and that that person goes straight to Hell? Well, no! God is Omnipotent and can go beyond humans and technology directly to an individual and convict Him of the Truth! You say it is not Biblical?... then you've never heard of Saul! (No, not the pseudo kind of Israel!) Further clarification: "God is love and only love..." who keeps saying that? I certainly have never claimed so! God is Omnipotent, capable of great Love, great Mercy, and great Judgment! "(e.g., the exclusivity of Christ, roles of the Members of the Trinity, universalism, etc" These are simply labels which makes it easier for the human mind to cope with God's unsearcheable being! Though each member of the Holy Trinity is salient at specific moments in Insrael's history... they are intertwined eternally in Oneness that cannot be separated into blocks or bits of God: "I and the Father are One!" (John 10:30) No one can say Jesus is Lord, if not by the Holy Spirit! (1 Corinthians 12:3--paraphrased) God Bless! Angel |
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2 | Does a person who never hears about Jesu | Rom 2:14 | DocTrinsograce | 152228 | ||
Dear Angel, You wrote, "To claim God will save only certain number of people and these only through a prescribe format--that is limiting God!" No, it is not. It is affirming what God Himself has chosen to do. If you think that God making a choice is placing a limitation on Himself, I'll buy that. But no one can limit God. Do you also believe that because God says of Himself that He cannot lie that that is a limitation too? Oh no... wait... because you believe He is not obligated to keep His own Word, that question would be non sequitur to you. Never mind. In Him, Doc |
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3 | Am I on the right track? | Rom 2:14 | lionheart | 152233 | ||
Hey Doc, I've heard people say in the past that God has chosen a specific number of people that will be saved.Might it be that in saying this that in knowing that God is all knowing and that in his foreknowlededge he knew who would believe and who wouldnt,might this put a little bit clearer perspective on the subject? Looking at in this light then we can say yes God did determine a certain number because he knew who would believe already? It helps me to make a bit more scence of it,but then again I could be wrong.What do you think? In Christ, lionheart |
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4 | Am I on the right track? | Rom 2:14 | DocTrinsograce | 152238 | ||
Hi, Lionheart! What you have described is an error called "conditional predestination." One theological dictionary defines it as a "predecision on God’s part is to save the ones who repent and believe [hence the name] since the predetermination of individuals is based on God’s foreknowledge of the way in which they will either freely reject Christ or freely accept Him." It is a common belief held by those who hold to Arminian theology. The idea is that God looks down the corridors of time and sees that Doc will believe, therefore, based on the foreknowledge, He chooses Doc as His own. The problem with this is that it rests on something of merit in Doc. However, Scripture clearly states that there is nothing in us that we should merit His saving us (see Ephesians 2:8-9). Indeed, God looked down the corridors of time and saw that no one does good (Psalm 14:3; 53:3; Romans 3:12), especially Doc! Remember, as well, that belief is a work. We have effectively demonstrated that from Scripture in this forum. Physical birth does not depend on the desire of the baby to be born, and in the same way, the will of man is not a factor in the second birth. In Him, Doc |
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5 | Am I on the right track? | Rom 2:14 | lionheart | 152244 | ||
Thanx Brother, Makes a lot of sense to me. We see whome ever, who ever in the bible. People have caused themselves no end of coconfusion and heart ache because of there misinterpetation of predestination and election. I thought that was what you were saying. I cant envision God excluding anyone out of an oportunity at repenting and having an eternal relationship with him. The way you put makes a whole lot more sense out of the subject. In Christ, lionheart |
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