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NASB | Romans 2:14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 2:14 When Gentiles, who do not have the Law [since it was given only to Jews], do instinctively the things the Law requires [guided only by their conscience], they are a law to themselves, though they do not have the Law. |
Subject: Does a person who never hears about Jesu |
Bible Note: Hi, Doc! "You wrote, "If I get you correctly... no one unless the Gospel is preached to them can get to know God?" Yes, that is correct. No one can know the Father except through the Son." So the Gospel and the Son are analogous... that is Jesus does not exist outside of the Gospel? "How that can possibly limit Him is quite honestly beyond my ability to understand" That was precisely my point! The Holy Scripture is not a script which God has to adhere to... the Holy Scripture is there for our instruction and edification! To claim God will save only certain number of people and these only through a prescribe format--that is limiting God! "Note that you chose the word "able." Where has anyone said that "God is not able?"" When you prescribe that only through the Gospel (which implies someone preaching to that man) could we get to know God and abide in God... this all implies that God is dependent upon man to bring man to Him; instead of the other way around... Jesus did not say: those who are brought to the Father will the Father then bring to me and I will not reject them... Jesus said: those who the Father send to Me, I will not reject! He was speaking even before the Gospel had been written... ergo, God has the Power and Authority to bring to Salvation (Jesus--resurrection and life) all whom He pleases! "Angel! Think BIGGER! There is nothing that He cannot do!" Again, my point, exactly! I do not think that there's limitations to God... but Salvation is not dependent upon missionaries! If you follow the proposed escenario, you will note that there was no middle-man interjected... God is able to touch human existence in the middle of nowhere as well as in the middle of a crowded train without the assistance of a single person! It is the Holy Spirit that searches the hearts and the most intimate places of man... not another man; and it is the Holy Spirit who convicts us of our sins and of Salvation! God's Holy Spirit operates beyond the confines of the Bible... directly in the pure existence of creation! "(Go ahead, try to find a single verse in Scripture where it says the Holy Spirit saves.)" You started out so good: God is God... but then reverted to "show me" Jesus is resurrected by God, through whom? And through whom are we to be resurrected? There isn't one single Scriptural passage that denies that the Holy Spirit resurrected Jesus and that our hope is that He who resurrected Jesus will in turn resurrect us in like manner! (Romans 8:11; Romans 6:5) So please do not confine yourself to the single written value of text... go beyond that (back to God is God--1 Corinthians 12:3) and view my words accordingly... "if you are more interested in protecting or promulgating your position" What is the position I am seeking to protect? That Christ died so that all may be saved? Did not say that! That everything is God? Did not say that either! That salvation comes to a few selected by some? Did not say that! That the Holy Spirit is the means by which God Saves? Scripture says that! That Jesus is not the Savior? Never said that! That God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit can be divided into seperate and distinct beings? Never! That a hypothetical situation where a person is not exposed to missionaries or the Bible and that that person goes straight to Hell? Well, no! God is Omnipotent and can go beyond humans and technology directly to an individual and convict Him of the Truth! You say it is not Biblical?... then you've never heard of Saul! (No, not the pseudo kind of Israel!) Further clarification: "God is love and only love..." who keeps saying that? I certainly have never claimed so! God is Omnipotent, capable of great Love, great Mercy, and great Judgment! "(e.g., the exclusivity of Christ, roles of the Members of the Trinity, universalism, etc" These are simply labels which makes it easier for the human mind to cope with God's unsearcheable being! Though each member of the Holy Trinity is salient at specific moments in Insrael's history... they are intertwined eternally in Oneness that cannot be separated into blocks or bits of God: "I and the Father are One!" (John 10:30) No one can say Jesus is Lord, if not by the Holy Spirit! (1 Corinthians 12:3--paraphrased) God Bless! Angel |