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1 | Clarification from John Reformed...? | Rom 1:16 | Brent Douglass | 44054 | ||
Thanks for the clarification, John. I'm glad to hear that it the reference is only to the word itself, and my concern about your statements is assuaged. You don't need to clarify further which specific doctrinal statements regarding definitions of sovereignty were "based on the Scripture alone." I think I understand your meaning that the intention was consistently to base the doctrines only on the Scriptures and not on previous counsels or papal decrees. I certainly respect that about the Reformed movement as a whole and specifically about the great leaders of the movement at its roots. Regarding the passage you referred to about predestination, I am in whole-hearted agreement that the adoption as sons (as well as the conformity to the image of Christ) was predestined before the foundation of the world. It is poverty of spirit in response to the Spirit's conviction -- leading to spiritual enlightenment and repentance (which then leads to the Spirit's development of faith and faithfulness) that I am not convinced was predestined but simply foreknown. I believe that our predestined adoption as sons takes place sequentially after faith -- NOT before. Therefore, the sequence leading up through faith appears to be foreknown, and the predestination begins from the results. While the overall process itself is a gift from God, undeserved, and consistently initiated by Him -- my current impression from the Scriptures is that the final penetration of the loving corrective conviction of the Spirit is deliberately left to the will of the individual soul. The will can either give in to the irrefutable evidence offered (resulting in recognition of spiritual poverty), or he (or she) can blaspheme the Spirit (leading to the impossibility of forgiveness). God knew all the scenarios and each individual's results prior to anyone's conception, but we can only be sure when the day of judgment comes. However, there is typically significant evidence of belief or unbelief in a person's life, and we can speak to them on the basis of that evidence. Only Christ Himself (or potentially a prophet) would have the ability to declare someone's heart impenetrable and beyond conviction according to the limitations laid down by God. Christ did so to some of the Pharisees who refused the irrefutable demonstration of His conduct and power and the accompanying conviction of the Spirit upon them. I'm still working through specifics of these ideas and testing them to make sure they are biblical, which is why I present them to you and to the list. |
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2 | Clarification from John Reformed...? | Rom 1:16 | John Reformed | 44072 | ||
Dear Brent, I am sure you would agree that in the interpretation of Scripture we must deal with what the word actualy says and not with what we want it to say or what we think it should say. Your disregard of the word "predestined" in Eph 1:5 surprised me! You said that it could mean foreknown (the meaning foreknown is a topic in itself). Nevertheless, lets look into the meaning of predestined in the Bible. 4309 proorizĂ´; from 4253 and 3724; to predetermine, foreordain:--predestined(6). 1) to predetermine, decide beforehand 2) in the NT of God decreeing from eternity 3) to foreordain, appoint beforehand (Strong's Concordance) Easton's Bible Dictionary Predestination This word is properly used only with reference to God's plan or purpose of salvation. The Greek word rendered "predestinate" is found only in these six passages, Acts 4:28; Romans 8:29,30; 1 Corinthians 2:7; Ephesians 1:5,11; and in all of them it has the same meaning. They teach that the eternal, sovereign, immutable, and unconditional decree or "determinate purpose" of God governs all events. This doctrine of predestination or election is beset with many difficulties. It belongs to the "secret things" of God. But if we take the revealed word of God as our guide, we must accept this doctrine with all its mysteriousness, and settle all our questionings in the humble, devout acknowledgment, "Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight." Hodge has well remarked that, "rightly understood, this doctrine (1) exalts the majesty and absolute sovereignty of God, while it illustrates the riches of his free grace and his just displeasure with sin. It enforces upon us the essential truth that salvation is entirely of grace. That no one can either complain if passed over, or boast himself if saved. It brings the inquirer to absolute self-despair and the cordial embrace of the free offer of Christ. In the case of the believer who has the witness in himself, this doctrine at once deepens his humility and elevates his confidence to the full assurance of hope". God Bless Brent, John Reformed |
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