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1 | ascend into Heaven? Where? | Rom 11:25 | MJH | 139377 | ||
You said, "Don't miss one very important issue, everyone must first come to God." -- But is it not more accurate to say that God came to us and we must accept Him? –rather than us having to go to Him? Also, where is it said, ". . . and ascend into the presence of the Lord?" I read all of 1 Cor. 15, and it isn't there. This is my point. Why do we keep saying we will ascend into heaven, when the scriptures do not ever say this? I do not doubt that the dead are now "in the presence of the Lord," but to say that in the end, we will all ascend into heaven is never mentioned. But it does say He will make His dwelling with us. So help me understand the reasoning behind the common belief that we all go to heaven to be with God “in the end?” (Please note, I am not trying to be argumentative as it might seem.) MJH |
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2 | ascend into Heaven? Where? | Rom 11:25 | EdB | 139382 | ||
MJH I agree there is a misconception that we will spend eternity in the place we now call heaven. Defined as the place where God is presently dwelling. The fact is we will spend eternity in the New Jerusalem on the New Earth. That will be Heaven since God is there. As to my reference to ascend your right it not in the 1 Cor 15 passage but rather in the sister passage in 1 Thessalonians 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (NKJV) 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. The ascension is for all believers to ascend to where Jesus is at until the old has been consumed with fire and the New established. 1 John 2:17 (NASB-U) The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives forever. 2 Peter 3:10 (NKJV) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. Then the new is established Rev. 21:1-2 (NKJV) Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. [2] Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 2 Cor. 5:1 (NKJV) For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. Col. 1:5 (NKJV) because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel, Hebrews 11:10 (NKJV) for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God. EdB |
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3 | Levitate, go to heaven, or the City? | Rom 11:25 | MJH | 139435 | ||
In the first century if an Emperor came to a city the following would occur: A great procession would precede the Emperor with blowing horns to announce his arrival. All the people of the city, village, or town would come out to meet the Emperor on the road to the city. After meeting the Emperor outside the city to greet him, they would all return to the city and celebrations would occur. These usually had to do with worship of the Emperor as a god and the “savior of the world.” The above is available to be learned in any public library in the history section. How would the people in Thessalonica have read Paul’s letter when he says, “16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.” Note, it does not mention what happens after we meet the Lord in the air. I assume we all agree we do not levitate for eternity with the Lord. This means a direction is required before the last sentence. It’s not in the text, but maybe the historical picture of the times helps us? Your thoughts? MJH |
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4 | Levitate, go to heaven, or the City? | Rom 11:25 | CDBJ | 139441 | ||
This particular verse doesn’t tell us where we shall be, as you have stated, but this we do know. John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. This is a pretty safe assurance, don’t you think; whether we are levitating or gravitating, if it good enough for the Lord its good enough for us CDBJ |
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5 | Levitate, go to heaven, or the City? | Rom 11:25 | MJH | 139447 | ||
Please read other comments higher up in this thread, since we deal with this verse earlier. MJH |
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6 | Levitate, go to heaven, or the City? | Rom 11:25 | CDBJ | 139449 | ||
Sorry about that! CDBJ | ||||||
7 | Levitate, go to heaven, or the City? | Rom 11:25 | MJH | 139508 | ||
Did you check out post 139306? What do you think? | ||||||
8 | Levitate, go to heaven, or the City? | Rom 11:25 | CDBJ | 139554 | ||
I think that the promise given in, John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. This was an extension of the promise given to Abraham. Hebrews 11:9-10 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: [10] For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. This promise is shown being fulfilled Rev. 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. It thought that was a general consensus? CDBJ |
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9 | Levitate, go to heaven, or the City? | Rom 11:25 | MJH | 139573 | ||
Yes, I think your conclusions are accurate. Although using "mansions" is not the best word to use. "Rooms" would be more appropriate, but it does not change at all your conclusions. MJH |
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10 | Levitate, go to heaven, or the City? | Rom 11:25 | CDBJ | 139593 | ||
Hi MJH, I think that the word “mansions” would be a very appropriate English word for the nominative, feminine, plural of the Koine Greek noun, “mone”. The reason being the following, 1 Cor. 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. My wife and I reside in a very nice home in the suburbs and I am sure that what ever the Lord provides will be a mansion compared to what we have now; putting it into the human perspective! Have a nice day, CDBJ |
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11 | Levitate, go to heaven, or the City? | Rom 11:25 | kalos | 139602 | ||
"Dwelling places" (Strong's #3438) In My Father's house are many dwelling places. But if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going to prepare a place for you! John 14:2 LITV (http://www.litvonline.com/litv/john.htm#14) NASB John 14:2 "In My Father's house are many dwelling [Strong's 3438] places [Strong's 3438]; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. In my Father's house are many homes. If it weren't so, I would have told you. I am going to prepare a place for you. WEB In my Father's house are rooms enough; if it was not so, would I have said that I am going to make ready a place for you? BBE In my Father's house there are many abodes; were it not so, I had told you: for I go to prepare you a place; DBY In my Father's house there are many resting-places. Were it otherwise, I would have told you; for I am going to make ready a place for you. WEY |
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12 | Levitate, go to heaven, or the City? | Rom 11:25 | CDBJ | 139604 | ||
Hi Kalos, Believe me, when we get there “heaven”, even closet space will be like a mansion compared to what we have now! CDBJ |
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13 | Levitate, go to heaven, or the City? | Rom 11:25 | kalos | 139605 | ||
CDBJ: I believe you! Heaven will indeed be mansion-like compared to what we have now. :-) Grace to you, Kalos |
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