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1 | why do we have to call Jesus -Lord Jesus | Rom 10:9 | meta | 209648 | ||
My attempt to answer the question was not to steer the person anywhere accept to Jesus Christ. I wanted to give them some idea of why we do call Him Lord rather than focusing on the word "lord". He is both the Author and the finisher of my faith. What would Zaccheus say about all this intellectualizing. | ||||||
2 | why do we have to call Jesus -Lord Jesus | Rom 10:9 | DocTrinsograce | 209669 | ||
Hi, meta... You wrote, "What would Zaccheus say about all this intellectualizing" (sic) Biblical scholars and teachers do not seek to promote intellectualism. They simply promote the importance of the intellect. God is a cognitive being who has given man the gift of cognition. Furthermore, He has communicated to man about Himself. Communication itself implies the tacit admission of rationality in both the sender and the receiver. Our supreme authority is the Scriptures. Our intellect must be brought to bear, with the aid of the Holy Spirit, in order to understand what God has said of Himself. No other activity than this is more important in human existence. Zacchaeus doesn't help you in your opinion of Biblical scholarship. Have you not considered the tremendous amount of presupposition and knowledge necessary for him to make the statement in Luke 19:8. See Christ's assessment in vv9-27. In Him, Doc |
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3 | why do we have to call Jesus -Lord Jesus | Rom 10:9 | meta | 209687 | ||
Thanks Doc, I am not sure that it was a tremendous amount of presupposition and knowledge that caused him to speak those words. I think it was a heart bursting with Gratitude. He did climb a tree to see Jesus To see the one who is the truth the life and the way.He wasn't a scribe or a lawyer he was a thief with a license. I believe he was cut to the quick by the words of Jesus. He was not a scholar. Jesus said tax gatherers and prostitutes will enter heaven before you when speaking to the teachers of the word. They had a wealth of presupposition and knowledge. Everybody knew Jesus was different. He offered hope the pharisees offered rules and regulations some from scripture and many added by the elders. We don't know what was going on in Zaccheus heart what happened the day before? How long had he hoped for a more good and purposeful life. It is possible that he did have a wealth of knowledge and presupposition but did the knowledge motivate him. Or was it something about this man Jesus Christ. Bottom Line I agree with you about the intellect. You do have wisdom. I thank you for your words . You have not accused me of any thing and for that I thank you. I also ask your forgiveness. I replied too quickly and out of hurt to the other persons post. You have kept a cool head. Thank you |
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4 | why do we have to call Jesus -Lord Jesus | Rom 10:9 | DocTrinsograce | 209692 | ||
Hi, Meta... Zacchaeus would have had to understood the Mosaic Law. He would have had to understand how it related to him. Furthermore, he would have had to understand who Jesus was, and understood His righteous, divine authority. Pointless emotionalism is valueless to God (Luke 11:27-28). Heathens do that kind of thing. Deep emotion arising as a response to certain knowledge is a different matter. God wants worship in spirit and in TRUTH (see John 4:23-24). Without specific divinely revealed facts -- the truth -- Christianity at any level is impossible. In Him, Doc PS Your post reminds me of an old Jewish anecdote concerning a conversation between a student and a Rabbi: "What is the source of your wisdom, Rabbi?" asked the student. "Good choices, son," was the reply. The student then inquired, "And how did you come to make such good choices, sir?" "By experience," the Rabbi answered. "And how did you receive such experience, Rabbi?" persisted the student. The Rabbi smiled, "Bad choices, son, bad choices." :-) |
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5 | why do we have to call Jesus -Lord Jesus | Rom 10:9 | meta | 209719 | ||
You make a lot of assumptions Doc. Do you honestly think that there were no unbelievers in Israel. Zacchaeus was a tax collector. Why would he have to know anything. I know many jewish people. I know many Messianic jews and I have known and worked for and with many others, some extreme orthodox some religeous and some Jews by birth with no desire to know God or have anything to do with the spiritual aspect of the culture that was their birthright. There is nothing in the scriptures that even hints that Zaccheus wanted anything to do with these things. He also lived in a time when a lot of people were turned away from the faith by the hypocritical abuses of the pharisees. They as you probably know were a sect that came into being to call Israel back to a respect for Gods Scriptures. But pride and the flesh had taken them to point that they opposed God when He did come to them. There were times in Israel when no one knew anything about the scriptures because they had been ignored for so long that there was not even a copy in existence that they knew of. There have always been religeous zealots and apathetic people that could not care less for their incredible birthright. I have no idea what you are referring to when you refer to pointless emotionalism. I am certain that there are times when you feel passion for Christ or the Holy Spirit or the Father. What is pointless about passion that is from or towards God. I am not attempting to be sarcastic. I really do not know what you are talking about. I understand the meaning and there is obviously lots of pointless emotionalism in the world however I do not see it in respect to what we are discussing. |
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6 | why do we have to call Jesus -Lord Jesus | Rom 10:9 | DocTrinsograce | 209739 | ||
Dear Meta, I believe it was you who mentioned Zacchaeus as one who would espouse the superiority of emotion over thought. It seemed a bit out of left field to me, but then I am fine with rabbit trails. I assumed that he somehow did have bearing on the question, since you brought him up. I congratulate you on your experience with varying stripes of Jewish people. As I am a Jewish person -- saved by God's grace alone, through faith alone, by the completed work of Christ alone, and to God's glory alone -- I trust you will grant me the leeway to focus on text of the Bible. You see, our forum is rooted in sola Scriptura. Our doctrine is drawn solely from the text of the Bible. You asked, "Why would he have to know anything" (sic) From Luke 19 we may understand that Zacchaeus knew the following: 1. He knew something about Jesus and His ministry, for it was knowledge that had attracted the man's attention (v3). The chief tax collector's curiosity was so keen that he used extraordinary measures to satisfy it (v4). Zacchaeus foresaw an opportunity, quickly devised a plan, hasted to implement it in accommodation of his physical limitations. When does anyone do that kind of thing in absence of knowledge? 2. Many people approached Jesus directly. What knowledge do you think this fellow had that caused such humility (vv 2 and 7)? Without knowledge of the law, he would have had no sense of guilt (Romans 7:7). That sense of guilt is manifest in the choice of action that follows. 3. When Christ singled out Zacchaeus -- note that Christ approached him, not vice versa -- he experienced great joy (Luke 19:6). How would that have been possible if he hadn't known that Jesus had called him? Even the crowd knew the implications of what was going on (v7). 4. The work of conversion in Zacchaeus is worked out clearly and visibly (v8). Zacchaeus calls Jesus "Lord" -- a title that Luke uses repeatedly to affirm the authority and power of the Son. Zacchaeus expresses his godly zeal by his generous offering to the poor. Furthermore, he demonstrates his repentance by his pledge to restore what he had stolen. 5. Zacchaeus demonstrates an understanding of the particulars of the Law in offering to restore fourfold (Exodus 22:1; Leviticus 6:5). 6. Jesus confirms that the blessings of salvation has been gifted to Zacchaeus. In order to please God, the author of Hebrews tells us that a person must KNOW that God is and that He is a rewarder of them that seek Him (Hebrews 11:6). Paul tells us, "How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in Him of whom they have never heard?" (Romans 10:14a ESV) The gospel is rooted in truth that is heard and understood (Colossians 1:5). Christ says, "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free" (John 8:32). Note that the Bible never says, "You will feel passion and your passion will set you free." So, I say again, Zacchaeus doesn't help you in your opinion of human intellect. The Scriptures bear out the fact that emotion follows knowledge. Of course, it will take application of thought and of study -- intellect things -- for it to become clear. In Him, Doc PS You've been a member of the forum for a year now. Why don't you update your profile and tell us about yourself and the church you attend? |
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7 | why do we have to call Jesus -Lord Jesus | Rom 10:9 | meta | 209748 | ||
It appears that I cannot win with you. If I say I do not wantb to argue then you will most likely remind me of something I said previously, rather than to hear what I am saying now. But the truth is I see your point and value what you have to say. It is too bad that it is not a two way street. This is the last reply I will send . Thank you for your efforts to enlighten me. | ||||||
8 | why do we have to call Jesus -Lord Jesus | Rom 10:9 | CDBJ | 209751 | ||
Greetings, Is it a point of winning on a Bible study forum or pointing out from scripture where the truth stands? John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. You have posted five times in this past series and not once have you pointed out actual chapters or verses. I realize you know the characters of the Bible but chapter and verse is needed to prove a point. 2 Tim. 3:16-17 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. Please debate with proof, CDBJ |
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9 | why do we have to call Jesus -Lord Jesus | Rom 10:9 | meta | 209765 | ||
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