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1 | Joe, is your reasoning not circular? | Rom 10:17 | Bill Mc | 20393 | ||
Joe, We do need teaching, correction, and discipline in the body of Christ. But that is primarily the Holy Spirit's job. Primarily. Will He use others to do it? Yes, I believe He will. Usually when the organized church has to step in to discipline, it is because the believer is NOT listening to the Holy Spirit or the Word of God. And God gives guidelines as to how that discipline should be done. We are never perfect receptors of the Holy Spirit's teaching. But you and I both know that God can speak from His Word, from others, from circumstances, and from His Spirit to ours. I never said that the Holy Spirit has already told me everything He wants me to hear. It is a process, isn't it? What He tells us (or what we think we hear) had better agree with scripture or, at the very least, not conflict with it. His is the Author, after all. Maybe you misunderstood my 'recommendation,' Joe. I was not saying to never be involved in the church. I said that it would probably be good for a new believer to FIRST study the Bible himself, trusting the Holy Spirit. Then, after that, bump it up against what other believers, the church, the church fathers, or commentaries say. I'm sorry if you perceived this as a threat, Joe. But the last thing I would tell a new believer is to go pick a church, any church, and seek out a teacher in order for him to grow in the Lord. We seldom to that, even on this forum. People come here as new believers and they want to know how to grow or learn more. We usually tell them to get a Bible and go to one of the gospels and just let God speak to them. Is that wrong? We who claim to tightly to God's sovereignty, do we not trust that He is the Author and completer of our faith? God does indeed have purpose in corporate functions but those things must never take the place of a personal one-on-one relationship with Jesus Christ as revealed through the Word and His Spirit in us. In Christ, Bill Mc |
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2 | Joe, is your reasoning not circular? | Rom 10:17 | Reformer Joe | 20399 | ||
Bill: You wrote: "But the last thing I would tell a new believer is to go pick a church, any church, and seek out a teacher in order for him to grow in the Lord." I never said ANY church. Why do you always think in extremes? If your pastor/minister teaches truth, why would you recommend a new convert not sit under his teaching? I can think of no better place for a new brother in Christ to be than sitting in the pew next to me, hearing about His new Lord and his glorious Savior and learning from more mature believers about our holy and awesome God. Not in ANY church, but in a GOOD one. I would think that the believer who led that individual to Christ also has teh responsibility of helping in the discipleship of the new convert. That was Paul's m.o. That does not REPLACE personal Bible study, but it does indeed reinforce it. And I hold that God in his sovereignty preserves His elect from complete apostasy. You wrote: "God does indeed have purpose in corporate functions but those things must never take the place of a personal one-on-one relationship with Jesus Christ as revealed through the Word and His Spirit in us." Again with the extremes! Show me one place where I said the corporate takes the place of individual study and prayer and worship. God has given us BOTH. BOTH! There should not be a rejection of either in favor of the other. God wants all believers learning both individually and corporately. --Joe! |
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3 | Joe, how do you know truth? | Rom 10:17 | Bill Mc | 20401 | ||
Joe, How do you know if your pastor/minister teaches truth? How do you know if your church holds to the truth? No church or pastor/minister is going to say, "Come and hear false teaching." Everyone in Christendom thinks that they proclaim the truth. Many (not all) Baptist would say you've got to be immersed to be saved. Catholics and Methodists would say the sprinking is fine. Pentecostals would say that you need to be baptized in the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Conservatives would say that those gifts have passed away. One church says you can't have musical instruments. Another says its fine. One church says you have to worship on Saturday. One says you need to worship on Sunday. One church says you need to confess your sins publically. Another says that open confession is not necessary. One church says that anyone can partake of communion there. Another says that you can only if you are a member. One church says they believe in the free will of man. Another says they believe that God is completely sovereign and man has no choice in the matter. Once church says you can't have female pastors. Another says that there is no male and female in Christ so it's OK. One church says that the Christian is no under Law. Another says that Christ in us enables us to fulfill the Law as He did. One church says that your salvation is secure because it comes from God. Another says you can, at some point, reject it and fall away. Joe, how do you KNOW that you are being taught truth? Everyone of these churches have certain scriptures to back up their view. EVERYONE! So it is not a matter of the church not following scripture. So how do you know what the truth is? In Christ, Bill Mc |
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4 | Joe, how do you know truth? | Rom 10:17 | DEK | 20405 | ||
Jesus said in John 17:17 "thy word [the standard of truth] is truth". This in the Greek is absolute truth. One must go to the Bible and belive what it teach and obey what it say to please God.Hebrew 11:6 read. My opinn And your opion does not matter it what God say matter. | ||||||
5 | Joe, how do you know the truth? | Rom 10:17 | Bill Mc | 20424 | ||
To Joe only, please, How do you know if your pastor/minister teaches truth? How do you know if your church holds to the truth? No church or pastor/minister is going to say, "Come and hear false teaching." Everyone in Christendom thinks that they proclaim the truth. Many (not all) Baptist would say you've got to be immersed to be saved. Catholics and Methodists would say the sprinking is fine. Pentecostals would say that you need to be baptized in the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Conservatives would say that those gifts have passed away. One church says you can't have musical instruments. Another says its fine. One church says you have to worship on Saturday. One says you need to worship on Sunday. One church says you need to confess your sins publically. Another says that open confession is not necessary. One church says that anyone can partake of communion there. Another says that you can only if you are a member. One church says they believe in the free will of man. Another says they believe that God is completely sovereign and man has no choice in the matter. Once church says you can't have female pastors. Another says that there is no male and female in Christ so it's OK. One church says that the Christian is no under Law. Another says that Christ in us enables us to fulfill the Law as He did. One church says that your salvation is secure because it comes from God. Another says you can, at some point, reject it and fall away. Joe, how do you KNOW that you are being taught truth? Everyone of these churches have certain scriptures to back up their view. EVERYONE! So it is not a matter of the church not following scripture. So how do you know what the truth is? In Christ, Bill Mc |
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6 | Joe, how do you know the truth? | Rom 10:17 | kalos | 20426 | ||
If your question is "to Joe only," then WHY do you post it as a primary question? It is understood here that primary questions are addressed to anyone and everyone. It would have been more appropriate to post your question directly to Joe in another thread. When you direct a primary question to one individual, it then becomes necessary for the rest of us to scroll down and scroll down until we come to questions meant for the rest of us. |
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7 | Joe, how do you know the truth? | Rom 10:17 | jlpangilinan | 20450 | ||
He maybe forgot, I've done that kind of mistake several times when I am new here and somebody get my attention , I think it is radioman. If we are really willing to participate in this forum (we know that we talk about God's word) we should have to have patience for one another. Thanks, Johnny |
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