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1 | Faith apart from reading the Bible? | Rom 10:17 | Reformer Joe | 20346 | ||
Great. Now you are defending Mormon epistemology. Just out of curiosity, when a Mormon comes to your door and tells you that the Holy Spirit convinced them that their interpretation of the Bible is true, how do you evangelize such an individual? But back to the Holy Spirit and His operation...He does undoubtedly work directly in our lives when we study His Word. However, it is also clear from Scripture that He works externally in our lives through our brothers teaching us from His Word. It is unscriptural to say the latter is unimportant because we have the former. God gave us both, and He works both angles in a teaching setting. Again, rejecting sound doctrine from another human being is a spiritually dangerous thing. It is very easy for us, because of sin, to rationalize our desires as being from the Holy Spirit when it may just be our pride and selfishness mixing things up. The external teaching of others helps hold us to sound doctrine as we biblically evaluate what is said. That is the dynamic between the two, not the favoring of one over the other. --Joe! |
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2 | Joe, is your reasoning not circular? | Rom 10:17 | Bill Mc | 20348 | ||
Dear Joe, I wasn't defending the Mormons peeing at all. I agree with you 100 percent that God works internally thru His Word as well as externally through others to teach us His Word. I have no problem with that assertion at all. I never said that it wasn't important. I said that it was not absolutely necessary, it is not essential, it is not a requirement. It is 'icing on the cake.' And, again, in order to make a determination of whether you are being taught 'sound' doctrine from another human being, one would do well to first study the doctrines directly from the Word relying on the Holy Spirit's illumination and one would do well to know something about the human being doing the teaching. If you have a problem trusting the Holy Spirit to lead you into all truth, then your problem is with Him, Joe, not with me. I believe what He says. It is a process. And truth is embodied in Jesus Christ. Yes, Joe, 'the external teaching of others HELPS hold us to sound doctrine as we biblically evaluate what is said.' But to do so, we must have a plumb line. How do you know whether what is said is sound, brother? Just because it is taught? You frequently remind me that you feel that all that I know is what I have been taught by those from DTS. If that were true, which it is not (I grew up in NY), then you would have no right, sir, to question my beliefs because I would have been doing EXACTLY what you are insisting here. I would have been sitting under the external teaching of people who claim, right or wrong, to be teaching the truth of God's Word. Joe, you can't have it both ways, brother. You can't criticize me (or you shouldn't) for believing a certain way BECAUSE of what I have been taught and then turn around and say that EXTERNAL teaching is just as viable as what the Holy Spirit does? There has got to be a plumb line somewhere, Joe. For me, it is God's Word. Yes, there is a dynamic. But, if forced to choose, I would rather trust the Holy Spirit then men. Fortunately, brother, I don't often have to make that choice. In Christ, Bill Mc |
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3 | Joe, is your reasoning not circular? | Rom 10:17 | kalos | 20352 | ||
YOU are the one who can't have it both ways. In a few postings you profess to believe the Bible. In many others you are constantly demeaning the Bible, its authority, its inspiration and its infallibility. Which is it? You can't have it both ways. (demean: to lower in character, status, or reputation) |
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4 | Joe, is your reasoning not circular? | Rom 10:17 | Bill Mc | 20355 | ||
Kalos, I do believe the entire Bible. But the Bible is a progressive revelation of God and His plan to redeem fallen man. The animal sacrifices of the OT pointed to the 'truer' sacrifice of the Lord in the NT. The physical Israel points to the 'truer' people of God, the church. There are many shadows of Christ in the OT. In the NT, He is revealed to us in fulfill. Does this make the OT not true? Not at all. But is was a shadow of the New. The church is a mystery that was not revealed in the OT. So if I want to research the truth of the church as the living body of Christ, I will not go to Leviticus. This is all I am saying. All of God's Word is the truth but there is a progressive revelation. That is why I said that Christ is 'truer' than the OT. In Christ, Bill Mc |
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5 | Joe, is your reasoning not circular? | Rom 10:17 | kalos | 20363 | ||
Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect. (KJV) 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable . . . (NASB) |
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