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1 | Baptism in the holy spirit? | Acts 19:1 | Taleb | 76906 | ||
Searcher, allow me to state at the offset, your “comeback” is well thought out and informative. I’ve never “noticed” the “first, second” etc. Thank you for pointing out those important facts. My “problem” lies with the concept that tongues are “known languages”. Here is a simple test I often use when I hear, or learn, that a word means “such and such”. It MOST ALWAYS works. I find other places where that same word is used and I read it using the word’s “definition”. It “should fit” otherwise something is most likely wrong. “Tongues” is one of those I “tested”. If “tongues” actually means “known languages” (and I understand how that conclusion is drawn -from Acts 2:11 where the Greek word, Strong’s 1258, Dialektos was used), WHY DIDN'T Luke use “Glossa” (Strong’s 1100)? By the way, do you have any idea which English word is derived from that Greek word dialektos? Yup, dialect. About that “test I used” – Let’s try it. We will use the “known language” definition in place of “tongues” to see if it holds the muster. Luke 16:24 uses the “Glossa” (Strong's 1100) word like most all the "tongues" in 1st Cor. Lazarus and the rich man had died. The rich man is in hell and asked, “… dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my known language.” OK, one from many more. James 3:6: “And the ‘known language’ is a fire … so is the ‘known language’ among our members.” Nope. I would say that “tongues means known language” doesn’t pass the test. And, Searcher, don’t forget the other Greek word translated “tongues”. Heteroglossos (Strong’s 2084) argues in favor of what you stated tongues means – speaking a foreign language. However, It is used only once, 1 Cor. 14:21. Whereas the next five (5) "tongues" in that chapter only uses Strong's 1100. The overall content of our response rings sadly true. Even after a couple thousand years, we, too often, still don’t “get it” right in Church. Really, Searcher, I DO appreciate your soul-searching, valid comments. And not ONLY on this thread. :) His Peace, Taleb |
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2 | Baptism in the holy spirit? | Acts 19:1 | Searcher56 | 76950 | ||
Word study ... tongue(s) glossa (Strong’s 1100) Tongue(s) is most often from the Greek glossa. It appears to be an organ in the mouth or a dialect spoken by someone. Tha is whY I conclude the gift is someone speaking in a known tongue by a listener ... and unknown to most of the audience, and maybe even the speaker. Scripture ... Mar 7:33, 35, 16:17; Luk 1:8 16:24; Act 2:3, 4, 11, 26, 10:15, 19:6, Rom 3:13, 14:11; 1Co 12:10, 30, 13:1, 8, 14:4, 5, 6, 9, 13, 14, 18, 19, 22, 23, 27 39; Php 2:11; Jas 1:26, 3:5, 6; 1Pe 3:10; Rev 7:9 Heteroglossos (Strong’s 2084) is used once, as you have pointed out (1Co 14:21). It is from two Greek words; heteros (Strong’s 2087), which means another and glossa. I see it as being another known tongue. Dialektos is another word translated tongue. In is only found in Acts (1:19, 2:6, 8, 21:40, 22:2, 26:14) ... but not 2:11. This word used a a known tongue. |
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