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1 | Baptism in the holy spirit? | Acts 19:1 | Taleb | 76906 | ||
Searcher, allow me to state at the offset, your “comeback” is well thought out and informative. I’ve never “noticed” the “first, second” etc. Thank you for pointing out those important facts. My “problem” lies with the concept that tongues are “known languages”. Here is a simple test I often use when I hear, or learn, that a word means “such and such”. It MOST ALWAYS works. I find other places where that same word is used and I read it using the word’s “definition”. It “should fit” otherwise something is most likely wrong. “Tongues” is one of those I “tested”. If “tongues” actually means “known languages” (and I understand how that conclusion is drawn -from Acts 2:11 where the Greek word, Strong’s 1258, Dialektos was used), WHY DIDN'T Luke use “Glossa” (Strong’s 1100)? By the way, do you have any idea which English word is derived from that Greek word dialektos? Yup, dialect. About that “test I used” – Let’s try it. We will use the “known language” definition in place of “tongues” to see if it holds the muster. Luke 16:24 uses the “Glossa” (Strong's 1100) word like most all the "tongues" in 1st Cor. Lazarus and the rich man had died. The rich man is in hell and asked, “… dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my known language.” OK, one from many more. James 3:6: “And the ‘known language’ is a fire … so is the ‘known language’ among our members.” Nope. I would say that “tongues means known language” doesn’t pass the test. And, Searcher, don’t forget the other Greek word translated “tongues”. Heteroglossos (Strong’s 2084) argues in favor of what you stated tongues means – speaking a foreign language. However, It is used only once, 1 Cor. 14:21. Whereas the next five (5) "tongues" in that chapter only uses Strong's 1100. The overall content of our response rings sadly true. Even after a couple thousand years, we, too often, still don’t “get it” right in Church. Really, Searcher, I DO appreciate your soul-searching, valid comments. And not ONLY on this thread. :) His Peace, Taleb |
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2 | Baptism in the holy spirit? | Acts 19:1 | sniper | 76909 | ||
Sorry for jumping in, but I can't help it. The problem with your test is this: The context of any conversation determines varitions in the meaning of a word. The different passages you have cited which use the word "tongue" have differing contexts. It is just the same as looking up an english word in the dictionary and seeing that it has several distinct definitions. The context of the conversation will reveal the meaning. It would be wrong to apply only one definition of that word to each situation in which it was used. The same goes for your test. You cannot apply only one definition to every use of the word, because as your test has demonstrated that would be silly. Please excuse my interruption of your discussion, Sniper |
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3 | Baptism in the holy spirit? | Acts 19:1 | Taleb | 76940 | ||
Sniper, my point was, and is, that Searcher's "definition of known languages" doesn't fit, because it really doesn't. I’ll reiterate the results of “my test” one more time, slightly changing my “terminology” to help convey the truth thereof. IF the term “tongues”, giving in the context of being “produced” by the Holy Spirit through any particular individual, actually means “known languages”, the Holy Spirit, who wants for us today to understand what HE meant then, WOULD only, and always, have used “dialektos” in each case, rather than “glossa”. Why? Because “dialektos” “means” a known language, while the other “glossa” offers too many possible “meanings” to be used as “evidence”. As a reminder, “dialektos” was used in Acts 2:6. (I stated Acts 2:11 before, but that is “the other tongue word, glossa”. (Whoops) This is the MAJOR verse used to “demonstrate” that ALL the other “tongues” ONLY and ALWAYS means what this one says about men hearing them speaking in “their own language”. Thanks for your input, and for pointing out how “silly” it was the first time through. :) Taleb |
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