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1 | Defending themselves or accusing Jesus? | John 8:41 | biblicalman | 229266 | ||
There are no real grounds for suggesting that the Pharisees were referring to Jesus' birth in John 8.41. In Jewish eyes Jesus would not have been seen as born of fornication, for Joseph and Mary were betrothed, and betrothed couples regularly had children without it being frowned on (except by high sticklers). Betrothal was binding and could only be broken by divorce. Marriage simply sealed the betrothal. Furthermore the contrast made by the Pharisees was with God as their Father. Thus as you say they were contrasting themselves with those who had idols as their father and were thus 'born of fornication'. Idolatry was regularly seen as harlotry. |
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2 | Defending themselves or accusing Jesus? | John 8:41 | Morant61 | 229282 | ||
Greetings Biblicalman! John 8:41 may or may not have been an insult aimed at Jesus, but sexual relations were not supposed to be a part of the Betrothal period. During the 12 months of the betrothal, the future wife lived with her parents and the marriage was not to be consummated until the the actual wedding took place. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Defending themselves or accusing Jesus? | John 8:41 | biblicalman | 229289 | ||
Hi Tim, Well we can agree to differ :-)) As I pointed out the high sticklers took your view, (except that the period was not necessarily 12 months, it was agreed by the families), but the general consensus was that sexual relations during betrothal were permissible. Thus Mary would not have been frowned on by her Galilean friends, nor by the majority. It is doubtful therefore whether the Pharisees would have made a fuss about such a thing. You must not judge Jesus' day by later Rabbinic rules. Best wishes |
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4 | Defending themselves or accusing Jesus? | John 8:41 | justme | 229293 | ||
biblicalman: I am wanting to find a sorce for where you found "but the general consensus was that sexual relations during betrothal were permissible." I have looked in one of the best known sources, The Interpeter's Dictionary of The Bible. There is no mention of sexual relations before the couple lives together as Man and wife. I think it would be important should I ever repeat your information, if you could share with me, please. I don't doubt you, but if you could give a source, I would appreciate it. Blessings. justme |
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