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1 | Born of the water means? | John 3:5 | Morant61 | 134191 | ||
Greetings Mommapbs! Excellent questions! I haven't read of anyone who connects 'water and blood' with birth and death in 1 John 5, but I would say that it is certainly possible. It is interesting that the same phrase is used in John 19:34 to speak of the blood and water that flowed from Jesus' side at the cross. Augustine held that this is that to which 1 John 5:6 referred. Certainly, the historical context of 1 John would lend support to the view that 'water and blood' may have referred to His birth and death. Tradition (through Irenaeus) tells us that one of John's chief opponents was a man by the name of Cerinthus. Cerinthus denied the full incarnation of Christ. I have also found it interesting that John 3 doesn't really speak of being 'born again'. The actual word used is 'born from above'. Thus, the contrast would be between 'born from below' and 'born from above' - i.e. natural and spiritual birth. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Born of the water means? | John 3:5 | Emmaus | 134202 | ||
Tim, "I have also found it interesting that John 3 doesn't really speak of being 'born again'. The actual word used is 'born from above'. Thus, the contrast would be between 'born from below' and 'born from above' - i.e. natural and spiritual birth." I would find this easier to go along with if "from below" was anywhere in the text, but it is not. It is also interesting that the NASB makes the choice of using "again" rather than "from above" although I have no problem with the later. I agree with the natural and spiritual birth. I just don't think the "water" in this case is referring to the natural birth, which is how Nicodemus misunderstood it. Rather, it seems to me more linked to the "spirit" by "and" as the Holy Spirit is often linked with water and with baptism. And the natural flow of the context of John 3 leads into the verse about apostles baptizing at the end of the chapter. Emmaus |
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3 | Born of the water means? | John 3:5 | Morant61 | 134209 | ||
Greetings Emmaus! The phrase 'from below' certainly isn't used in the text, but the contrast between 'natural' and 'spiritual' is used in v. 6. I have tried to figure out why they adverb 'anothen' in vv. 3 and 7 was translated as 'again' rather than 'from above'. Thus far, I have not found any reason. :-) This adverb is used 13 times in the NT. Here are the verses: 1) Mt. 27:51 - "At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split." 2) Mark 15:38 - "The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom." 3) Luke 1:3 - "Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus," 4) John 3:3 - "In reply Jesus declared, 'I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.'" 5) John 3:7 - "You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’" 6) John 3:31 - "The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all." 7) John 19:11 - "Jesus answered, 'You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.'" 8) John 19:23 - "When the soldiers crucified Jesus, they took his clothes, dividing them into four shares, one for each of them, with the undergarment remaining. This garment was seamless, woven in one piece from top to bottom." 9) Acts 26:5 - "They have known me for a long time and can testify, if they are willing, that according to the strictest sect of our religion, I lived as a Pharisee." 10) Gal. 4:9 - "But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?" 11) James 1:17 - " Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows." 12) James 3:15 - "Such 'wisdom' does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil." 13) James 3:17 - "But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere." One Greek Lexicon lists 'again' as a possible meaning, but it seems to be more of a remote meaning. Of the verses listed above, only Gal. 4:9 really seems to have this meaning. Personally, I would translate it as 'born from above' rather than 'born again'. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Born of the water means? | John 3:5 | Ray | 134300 | ||
Hi Tim, The Galatians 4:9 verse that you quoted for us has the word "again", (Strong's #3825) when speaking of turning back again to the weak and elementary things. Paul goes on and says in effect, "Do you desire to be enslaved to the things from above?" [Strong's #509] Rather, we are no longer slaves but sons of God. We are no longer slaves, but are called friends, because we now know God, or rather are known by God. John 3:3, "Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again [we would say, from above], he cannot see the kingdom of **God." Galatians 4:29, "But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the **Spirit, so it is now also." From the heart, Ray |
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